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Vinny69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted June 15, 2000 09:35 PM
  
ok after getting all your advise im changing my deca only cycle to this: week deca im only in week 1 and im eating like a pregnant bitch!!is it mental?? and one more question...do u guys reccomend and cardio while juicing??or will the decca burn the fat and cut me up on lifting alone? IP: Logged |
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Vinny69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted June 15, 2000 09:56 PM
bump.... come on guys help me out here... IP: Logged |
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NEWMAXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 184) |
posted June 15, 2000 10:02 PM
Dude...do a search on "Deca Only" Cycles. I cannot give you personnal experience but, try the search. Do you have clomid? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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superdave Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 191) |
posted June 15, 2000 10:05 PM
Deca has moderate/slight water retention characteristics, if you are doing cardio, keep doing the same thing, dont do anymore than you have to. Deca wont burn any fat, its a steroid, you have a good taper for it though, wouldnt worry about your nuts, even on high doses of deca, its not androgenic enough by itself. since you're only 160 lbs. this should be beneficial for you, if its your first time, should gain 10-15 and keep if you bust ass in gym and consume protein (approx 175 gram/day for you). As you get bigger, youll need more than just deca to keep growing, keep that in mind. Im 198 lbs and about to do my first, its going to be test sypionate only, higher doses than your deca, should be good. by the way, what deca are you using? IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530) |
posted June 15, 2000 10:05 PM
Vinny, I think maybe your not getting a lot of responses b/c you already said your not willing to do more juice. I figure that is what most would have told you. Why dont you not pyramid it at all. Start at 300 then taper off the last 2 weeks to 200 and 100 if you must. Im not sure if you even need to taper at all. But will bump it for you. Slopain ------------------ IP: Logged |
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superdave Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 191) |
posted June 15, 2000 10:06 PM
downhill run might be good, start off on high dose, then taper all the way down. IP: Logged |
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always02 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 263) |
posted June 15, 2000 10:10 PM
400 mg should be the least amount per week, i would do. 600 400 400 400 400 400 400 200 i hate deca only cycles, but if that's what you want then that's what i would do. g.spellwin gave me a cycle once that was 800 600 600 400 400 400 400 200 but i feel that the 600 is fine for me, i think either one is fine. maybe try e2 gainskeeper formula too. good luck IP: Logged |
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JuiceBoy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 207) |
posted June 15, 2000 11:40 PM
man why are u waisting your time? most of us are using near a 1000mgs a week of as at least and the most we have to worry about is the odd pimple on our back. Stupid ignorant people get sides cuz they dont' know what they're doing. Learn about AS and u'll see. I will bet u any money that if u're total genetic twin and you worked out exactly the same and at the same and everything else, and u did your cycle, and he did a cycle of a creatine, u wouldn't know who juiced and who didn't. Those doses won't do a damn thing for you man. NOt to mention why are u pyramiding? that's old school myth that it helps. Welcome to the year 2000, we pyramid now. Anyways I'm not tryin to flame you in anyway, just helping u face the facts and let u know that what u need is creatine, not as IP: Logged |
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JuiceBoy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 207) |
posted June 15, 2000 11:42 PM
P.S even 600mg's won't give u 10-15lbs, I don't know why u think what u have there will give u that. Not to mention that Deca won't do a damn thing for cuts, u'll actually retain some water, cardio and good diet will give u cuts. I'm not just talkin out of my ass, My very first cycle was a deca only cycle too, and i pyramided just like u did, only I went up to 600 in the middle. And I'll tell u, good supplements gave me better gains! IP: Logged |
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Vinny69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted June 16, 2000 12:18 AM
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 738) |
posted June 16, 2000 10:55 AM
Alright vinny, you must only have 2000mg of deca. You need more for a deca only cycle bro. I agree with the other bros that you gotta up the dosage. I would do this 400 Since you only have 2000mg then youre best bet would be this 400 Just dont expect much with such low dosages. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted June 16, 2000 11:25 AM
Hey Vinney, honestly Nandralone isnt going to be the best choice for a cycle. It works wonderfully in conjunction with testosterone. Take it into consideration. Consider a 10 week cycle, if your a novice using 1 250mg amp of Testosterone. If you can gain access to the Heptylate Ester go for that, or Enanthate if not. Sustanon is a bit overrated.  200 to 400 mg of deca along with it is more than enough. Dont pyramid the doses. Keep your hormone lvls steady ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted June 16, 2000 11:27 AM
ohh, in response to your cardio question. The issue is basic human physiology. If your heart/cicrulatory system is made stronger the transfer of protein and nutrients to muscle tissue will be expedited. Making your cycle only more efficient. 20 minutes post workout cardio, on a tread mill high incline moderate pace. Toss down 30g glutamine, and your protien afterwards. And your having no problems ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 738) |
posted June 16, 2000 12:46 PM
Hey Twisted_Steel, not a flame bro, but 30g of glutamine at one time is a waste. It's better to spread out 20-30g throughout the day. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2824) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:06 PM
Anyone who says that you cannot get great gains from Deca does not know much about Anabolic Steroids. Deca is the all-around best mass builder. It is better than test at gaining and keeping mass. If you do not gain a considerable amount of weight on your cycle, it is because you or your buddy didn't eat correctly. Diet makes up 60% of your gains.If you do not get enough protein then you will not grow. Just because you do not know how to eat, train, and rest properly, does not mean Deca is a waste of money. I would change the cycle to this: 1.......200 Jon
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:16 PM
I respect you 2thick and you are the MAN, but how can you say that deca is better for gaining mass over test? Slopain IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2824) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:26 PM
The reason is that Deca promotes protein synthesis and recover much more effectively than test. You may end up gaining more weight with test in the short-term, but you will incur more side effects and lose much of the weight after the cycle. Deca's gains are a little more gradual, so your body can adapt to it better and keep more of it. Plus, any ass can pump 1000mg of test and grow, but it takes a well AS-educated person to gain almost as much with 400mg of Deca. Gear is just a catalyst. Your diet, training, rest, and intensity are what will yield the real gains.
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GymRatSD Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 81) |
posted June 16, 2000 01:26 PM
I think he's referring to gaining and KEEPING those gains. You can lose alot of it with test only. IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530) |
posted June 16, 2000 02:10 PM
Am I wrong in assuming the only gains that you could not help but lose is water, on test? In other words discounting the water weight gain, I believe test to be a better mass gainer, now If you take anti est's to block most of the water gain - you will not end up losing that much weight (water) b/c it never came in the first place. I am holding good eating/training/resting constant, obvioulsy without these you would probably lose most of the gains anyway. Slopain IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3483) |
posted June 16, 2000 02:13 PM
Well i must know jack shit about steroids then, because i know that deca is no where near the best mass builder, by far. I dont' know where you come up with all your info. IP: Logged |
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Curious Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted June 16, 2000 03:33 PM
My first cycle was 400mgs of underdosed Norandren for 6 weeks. I ate like a horse got at least 250 grams of protein a day and lifted heavy as hell. I put on 13lbs and kept 11. I hope this helps some. I would definately not pyramid. Either start high and taper down or just stay at 400 all the way through. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 183) |
posted June 16, 2000 04:22 PM
For your first cycle you do not need 1000 mg of anything to make gains, that is ridiculous...Deca is a good drug, perhaps the people who dislike it either got fake shit, or have no clue about training, rest, and nutrition, because if you can't gain weight from 200-600 mg of Deca for a cycle then you have some serious physical problems. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2824) |
posted June 16, 2000 04:38 PM
E2, You precisely prove my point. If you do 750mg of sus for your first cycle, then Deca and other mild AS will not do anything for you. Therefore, you will need to use higher and higher dosages of more toxic AS to get "great" gains (as you say). ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted June 16, 2000 04:44 PM
I will prostrate myself, i believe 2thick may be more knowledgable than I. But, i dont understand how you can say that gram for gram, deca will promote more size than test, all things being equal. I must also have been reading the wrong literature/ ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted June 16, 2000 04:47 PM
Pyramiding seems counter productive. Based on my research "stasis" is the key to successive growth. Why would one want to induce imbalances with respect to an exogenous hormone within the body. Dose should remain status quo. My two cents ------------------ IP: Logged |
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scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 331) |
posted June 16, 2000 04:48 PM
Taper down towards the end.If this is your very first cycle then you should see some decent gains off this,nothing enormous but decent.Believe it or not I saw gains off of deca 50 redijects 1 a week.That was my first AS experience & I really didnt know what the hell I was doing though.Keep doing the research & learn as much as you can before you start good luck bro. IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1047) |
posted June 16, 2000 04:48 PM
I've never done deca without test. Vinny - did you check into this: You will likely experience a phenomenon called "deca dick". Simply put, your sex drive will be less and you may not have erections very often if at all. There is also the slight risk of progestrone related gyno, for which Nolvadex is useless. 2Thick - can you provide some facts supporting your "deca is best" claim? I've always been a test believer. Matt IP: Logged |
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charlie Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156) |
posted June 16, 2000 05:11 PM
This one looks like it may run for a while! My pennys worth is worth only that! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2824) |
posted June 16, 2000 08:08 PM
MattTheSkywalker, Well, if you look at the medical uses of Deca, then you see that it is used to prevent wasting away and building the body back up (among many other things). On the other hand, test is mainly used to remedy hormonal imbalances. Logically, the one with the medical use of building and retaining muscle would be the more favorable option. Hence, Deca is better than test for building quality and more permanent Lean Body Mass. BTW-There are very few experiments that examine the properties of different anabolic/androgenic steroids when they are used to build muscle in healthy athletes. Therefore, we are merely theorizing with the scant information available. Do what you want. It's your body. But, it is better to err on the side of safety rather than one the side extremity (mainly because the consequences are much more severe on the latter). Also, "Deca Dick" is rare and only occurs in a small percentage of users (and most of which are over 30 years of age). ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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Steelheart Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 440) |
posted June 16, 2000 08:12 PM
Ok-OK....After I was always told that Testosterone is the KING of muscle builders, now I hear DECA is better for Pure Muscle gains? So If im not a competitve BB and just wanted to have a bigger more muscular physique with spending lots of $$$ for nothing, deca would be my best choice? I need 600mg per week? IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2824) |
posted June 16, 2000 08:22 PM
I keep forgetting to mention I am talking mostly about newbies. I believe that Deca is the ultimate mass steroid. It may not build as much as test at the beginning, but the muscle quality is higher after the cycle. I would chose Deca over test any day. One drawback of Deca is that using over 600mg/week will cause the negative attributes to overshadow the positive attributes. I recommend a max of 400-500 per week. Then you should stack it with test after the 3rd or 4th cycle. Do what you want. It's your body. I am just feeding you some knowledge. What you do with it is up to you. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530) |
posted June 16, 2000 08:33 PM
I appreciate this argument. But have to say that I think deca dick is a little more common than 2Thick would like to believe. I don't have and "facts" to back this up other than I haven't met anyone personally that has done a substantiall deca cycle (400 and up) that hasn't got it, True I am only speaking of 5 people I know that have cycled it - but they are all well under 30 (ages from 20-26) and have in some way and for a good period of time not been able to get their unit standing up. I realize this isn't at all scientific but if 2Thick is right, this is very unprobably, to say the least, that 5/5 got deca dick. Slopain IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2824) |
posted June 16, 2000 08:45 PM
Hearsay is exactly that. I personally have never gotten it and no one I know has gotten Deca dick either. Speaking statistically, that would counter your five friends...lol. But seriously, there are too many factors (or variables) at play to even consider a logical argument. Deca-Durabolin IS the most popular steroid in the world. Deca dick would have reared its ugly head many years ago, if it were such a large problem. I have been around AS and bodybuilding long enough to know Deca Dick has been a substantial concern for users in only the last 6-9 months. I cannot change your mind because you have experienced it yourself. All I can say is that there needs to be more research done before anything more than hearsay and conjecture exists about "Deca Dick". ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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Spawn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 121) |
posted June 16, 2000 09:11 PM
That makes sense, 2thick. So, Use Deca and other week steroids when you start and then use test and other heavy stuff later on. That is really simple. IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530) |
posted June 16, 2000 09:18 PM
I wish I would have gotten lucky with the lotto and not the small/freak % that get deca dick lol! ahhhhh Slopain IP: Logged |
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Twisted_Steel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 197) |
posted June 17, 2000 09:43 AM
Great mind think alike, I agree with 2Thick to err on the side of caution not extremity is without question the way to go. Newbies, reading the content of this post please do your research first. Nandralone (Deca) is the most widely used anabolic. You all know it, you also know that its counterfitted out the ass. Before you venture into Anabolic world, make certain your Deca is sound, keep the doses low, below 500mg. One side note: My opinion only. Generally speaking 250mg of Testosterone shouldnt provoke the ugly Aromatase monster. My opinion on cycle to finalize this for the author of this post 10 Weeks - Novice Cycle - No Taper Weeks 1-10 250mg Testosterone - 200mg Deca (Enanthate/Heptylate/Sustanon
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Vinny69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted June 17, 2000 11:04 AM
thanks for all the imput guys.... tomorrow i begin week 2 with 300... i have been eating like a pig trying to pack in at least 200g of protein.. i have a several smaller meals a day along with a protein shake which throws in an extra 55 g...... im gonna take some before and after pics to show the results...so ill be posting those as soon as i get some film for the polaroid... thanks again.. IP: Logged |
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JuiceBoy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 207) |
posted June 17, 2000 02:24 PM
All I have to say is I'd like to know what your results are once you're done, let us know IP: Logged |
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