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Romeo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 148)	posted June 14, 2000 09:45 PM hello peeps my day starts pretty early but this whole week i have sarted even earlier and began doing cardio on an empty stomach while ingesting a bottle of zero tea...well everyday is like im superman no joke ..i have had no stop energy everyday allday it nuts ...----plus i heard ...and read that doing cardio first thing in the morning is really good for burning fat...what do you fellas think...???? peace romeo some people call it heart champions call it desire IP: Logged
brians Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112)	posted June 14, 2000 09:47 PM I also have done this and it works great! however be sure to drink a protein shake mixed with water before doing morning cardio which'll prevent catabolism. Cardio will still be just as efficient. IP: Logged
aahthit Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140)	posted June 14, 2000 09:48 PM Read the samet thing,... it does wonders for your cardio efforts. I just hate sweating until 10 in the morning. IP: Logged
Latimer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 242)	posted June 14, 2000 09:49 PM Yeah I just started doing the same thing and that shit is awesome. I couldn't believe the energy it gave me. I thought it'd be the opposite. IP: Logged
FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 821)	posted June 14, 2000 09:51 PM am cardio is awesome for fat burning....your glycogen stores are down after the night & your body taps into fat for fuel....I always loved doing am cardio...I used to get up at 5:30 am & me & my man would go...I felt so much more productive when I did...I wish I could get back into it again....I need a kick in the ass to get up that early these days. IP: Logged
Mlrtime1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 97)	posted June 14, 2000 09:52 PM I've done the same. I never eat anything prior to doing cardio in the a.m. so my body is forced to let go of the stored fat for energy. Only drink water and do some hydroxi cuts. IP: Logged
Jim Layhoe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 371)	posted June 14, 2000 09:52 PM If you take in the protien before cardio you wont be burning any fat. IP: Logged
Latimer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 242)	posted June 14, 2000 09:56 PM I thought that it should be done on a completely empty stomach. Not even water. Anyone know if some water is ok before the early cardio? IP: Logged
FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 821)	posted June 14, 2000 09:57 PM i do an empty stomach, no h2o, no anything... i dont even do any fat burners cause i get nauseous.....i imagine h2o is ok- it has no nutritional value.....ditto on the dont do protein b4, it will cancel out the benefits IP: Logged
Spunky Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46)	posted June 14, 2000 09:57 PM Im not exactly sure what is correct, but I read in Bill Phillips body for life book that he always drinks 2 8oz glasses of water before his early morning cardio. IP: Logged
MightyMaus4 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12)	posted June 14, 2000 09:59 PM I don't know about protein drink before running but, if you run hard for say 25 minutes you should not have to worry about cannabolizing your muscle. Have a hearty high carb and protein intake about an hour after your run. AM cardio does not get the attention it deserves on this board. More info on this subject would be appreciated. IP: Logged
brians Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112)	posted June 14, 2000 10:00 PM As for the protein b4 stuff, I read in some weight training book written by some doc that cardio doesn't react to protein as it would carbs....? Your body doens't call on protein for energy - it uses carbs????? Anyone ever heard of this? [This message has been edited by brians (edited June 14, 2000).] IP: Logged
ryry Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 335)	posted June 14, 2000 10:01 PM when i do cardio in the morning i feel great, then later in the afternoon it just feels like i hit a brick wall and need to take a nap. ------------------ "The race is long... and in the end, it's only with yourself." IP: Logged
Jim Layhoe Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 371)	posted June 14, 2000 10:28 PM water is fine , same with eca.(if it doean't bother your system.) If you go to crazzy for to long you will burn glycogen(bad) for fuel I dont do more than 45 min,@80% max. effort so i only burn fat for energy.(i cant say only meaning 100% fat only but thats the goal.) IP: Logged
blackhaus1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 530)	posted June 15, 2000 02:16 AM I love doing my cardio in the morning...it keeps my energy level up all day...Its when I don't do it that I am tired and cranky all day... ------------------ "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.." IP: Logged
JuiceBoy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 208)	posted June 15, 2000 02:23 AM yeah when u're glycogen stores are near zero u're body will tap into fat stores for energy to perform the cardio, I don't even do cardio unless it's on an empty stomach cuz I know i"m also killing muscle. And drinking a protein shake even with zero carbs is useless and won't stop catabolism(which shouldn't be a problem anyways) all it might do is make u puke while u're running IP: Logged
adawg78 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 50)	posted June 15, 2000 08:20 AM what about a little glutamine (5 grams) b4 the cardio to prevent catabolism? maybe with an eca stack? IP: Logged
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 193)	posted June 15, 2000 10:50 AM Brians, the only flaw with your statement is that about 50% of the protein that you ingest is converted by the body into glucose. If you took a slowly digested protein like casin before cardio it might not effect fat burning efforts, however, if you take whey, whick is digested very quickly you could run into some problems with fat burning. I would just go with an empty stomach and not risk it. IP: Logged
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 193)	posted June 15, 2000 10:50 AM Brians, the only flaw with your statement is that about 50% of the protein that you ingest is converted by the body into glucose. If you took a slowly digested protein like casin before cardio it might not effect fat burning efforts, however, if you take whey, whick is digested very quickly you could run into some problems with fat burning. I would just go with an empty stomach and not risk it. IP: Logged
Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 193)	posted June 15, 2000 10:51 AM Brians, the only flaw with your statement is that about 50% of the protein that you ingest is converted by the body into glucose. If you took a slowly digested protein like casin before cardio it might not effect fat burning efforts, however, if you take whey, whick is digested very quickly you could run into some problems with fat burning. I would just go with an empty stomach and not risk it. IP: Logged
Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 478)	posted June 15, 2000 11:08 AM Morning?????? Is it morning already?? I swear I just closed my eyes!! Yes, cardio in the a.m. is the best for optimal results. Hopefully soon I can get back in the swing of things. Maybe me and FitnessChick should give each other a kick in the butt and get back into it!!! It was easy for me to get up and run at 4:30 every morning until one day I looked over and low and behold there lay Mr. Guns. Who in their right mind wants to get out of bed when you have someone like that next to ya!! Oh!!!! I think my energy is suddenly coming back!!!! Mrs. TG IP: Logged
Gilbyag Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175)	posted June 15, 2000 11:14 AM cardio 30 to 40 every am, I start of with flaxseed oil, glutamine, creatine and ECA. After I run 1 cup strong black coffie. Kicks that ECA right back up there. Its been workn great for me. I dont see how this would hinder your body from tapping straight into fat stores. IP: Logged
Pup'nIrn Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 93)	posted June 15, 2000 11:24 AM Anything ingested that has a caloric level will bring you out of the borderline hypoglycemic condition you are wishing for!!! Water is fine and so are eca stacks...But protein (even L-Glutamine), carbs or fat will bring yo out of this optimum state of fat burning. Keep your cardio rate at around 60% not 80%. Any cardio too high will access muscle glycogen as an energy source. Although you will have burned calories they won't be the ones you wanted. Also, try adding 18-24g of yohimbine to your morning eca on the empty stomach. It has dramatic effects on sex specific fat deposits. Later IP: Logged
FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 821)	posted June 15, 2000 12:15 PM Hey texas guns...i tell ya what...i will give you my # & we can call & harass eachother until we get our lazy asses out of bed everymorning....I have the same prob---my man Irongod used to be so good getting me up in the morning, now he is having as hard a time as me....8:00 rise ,enough time for him to get ready for work , but 5:30 for cardio, not happening these days. IP: Logged
Thick dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 614)	posted June 15, 2000 12:19 PM My favorite kind of early morning cardio is the kind where you don't have to get out of bed! IP: Logged
Ffactor Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 29)	posted June 15, 2000 12:45 PM I would like to do cario in the morning but I can't wake up before 8 on weekdays and 12 to 1 p.m on weekends. So I have to stick to evenings. My abs could be in much better shape. IP: Logged
Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 536)	posted June 15, 2000 01:29 PM I am throwing in the cardio 3 morns a week. Pretty slow run Id say 70% for about 25-30 mins. I just have a glass of water and sometimes eca before I go. Lots of energy on run days. Im natrually an ectomorph so I need to be a little careful dont want to burn me hard earned muskles! Slopain IP: Logged
Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 478)	posted June 15, 2000 01:31 PM Thick Dog, you read my mind!! Yes FitnessChick, we will have to be bi-coastal workout partners!!!!! Mrs. TG IP: Logged
GymRatSD Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 81)	posted June 15, 2000 01:33 PM Ugh. Mornings should be banned. Same thing with Mondays. I just can't get myself going physically until maybe 10:30 am. Until then I'm just going through the motions at work. IP: Logged
Ubermass Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48)	posted June 15, 2000 05:38 PM take bcaa's before cardio on an empty stomach that will prevent most muscle waste ------------------ IT'S ALL ABOUT BEING HUGE IP: Logged
DocJ Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31)	posted June 15, 2000 07:17 PM Make sure you havn't eaten for at least 10 hours before you do the empty stomach a.m. aerobics, otherwise you're not dipping into those fat stores as effectively. ------------------ "Life is too short to have 18" arms." IP: Logged
Frackal Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 281)	posted June 15, 2000 07:45 PM Supposedly drinking a pint or so of H2O 5 minutes before cardio will superhydrate the muscles or the blood, I forget which, and help prevent wasting. IP: Logged
MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1048)	posted June 15, 2000 08:19 PM It is OK to drink water before and during AM cardio. Matt IP: Logged
OMEGALOS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 196)	posted June 15, 2000 08:21 PM Yup! water and eca+coffee if you want(no cream or sugar) before you do your cardio...and dont worry about your cardiovascular training zone. This 60-75% crap is old school thought, its outdated, ill tell you why. Yes the body burns a higher % of fat rather than glycogen at the forementioned level, however at the end of the day when you tally your calories the guy/girl who sprinted/jogged 45 min will be losing a hell of a lot more weight than the one who walk/slow jogged for 45 min. The higher the intensity over a given time, the more calories you burn, the more of a caloric deficit you are bound to create, therefore the more fat reserves your body will call upon to burn off as fuel!!! Voila, fat burning 101 is over. Moral of the story is, dont be afraid to work harder, you have nothing but fat to lose. And do yourself a favor and wait approximately 45 min after your run till you eat or drink anything, this will elongate the time of fat burning as opposed to glycogen. ------------------ Concieve, believe, achieve! Kaz IP: Logged
Parabellum Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 136)	posted June 15, 2000 08:35 PM For the last 3 weeks or so I have been doing getting up at 5 am to ride my bike or run. It gives me alot of energy through out the eday. It's great. The yellow b*tch helps me out also. ------------------ Born to fight, Trained to kill, Ready to Die, But never will! IP: Logged
Romeo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 148)	posted June 15, 2000 09:39 PM hey everyone i just got home ...thanks for all of your answers ....but do you all know what zero tea is it has a few calories no carbs and 110mgs of caffein it gives you a kick in the ass is this ok while doing cardio in the morning....oh yeah and thanks for the responses peace romeo some people callit heart champions call it desire IP: Logged
Cheech Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40)	posted June 17, 2000 02:22 AM Does the time matter when one does cardio on DNP? Since DNP does not effect the bodys inslin and the use carbs as fuel is gone could cardio be done after weights with good result? How about a keto diet as well? IP: Logged
cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 169)	posted June 17, 2000 01:28 PM Protein before morning cardio will cause an insulin response, although not as much as carbohydrates, but whey protein can produce a significant response due to the high leucine content. When insulin is circultating it is suppressing lipolysis. Morning cardio should be done on empty stomach, except for fluids, and ECA. IP: Logged
Juicer56 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301)	posted June 17, 2000 02:59 PM first of i would like to hear from anyone that is certified in these types of fields because(no flame intended)you guys are just using "gym science"...the point of doing early morning cardio is to tap into your fat stores faster than after glycogen levels rise after eating..also that 60-75%crap is the most effiecient(sure you'll burn more cals but remember which cals do you want to burn?) because when you do higher intensitity you body uses 1/3 fatty acids and 2/3 gylcogen as oppossed to moderate intensity which is 2/3 fatty acids and 1/3 gylcogen...these are all according to after eating throughout out the day, if your body has no glycogen then it will be that much more effiecient..oh and to settle the protein debate...i have been having a 40g protein shake before cardio and to make sure this is true i have a glucometer...sorry guys but it didnt raise my blood sugar levels which i tried on a sunday and tested every 1/2 hr for 4hrs IP: Logged
Decaman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 233)	posted June 17, 2000 08:28 PM O.k. the general consensus seems to be early morning is most effective, what if you cannot do it in the morning. I get up at 4:30 as it is for work, so iget my cardio in after work at about 6 or 7 pm, at this point I haven't eaten solid food since 12:30(lunch) and i have a protein shake at 4 or 4:30, how much less effective is it at this time? ------------------ DECA-IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER IP: Logged
Monster Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 124)	posted June 17, 2000 09:55 PM Here it is, believe me if you want to. As for credentials, Im sure most of us would like to remain anonymous, so that remains a moot point. Also, we can pretty much say whatever we like and who can disprove it? Im new to this board, but a lot of people know me from elsewhere, and a couple of you actually know me r/t. But blah, blah, blah, heres my 2 cents... Your body is lazy, and doesnt want to burn fat. If any other EASIER fuel is available to burn, its going first. protien has 4 calories, carbs have 4 calories, fat has 9 calories... it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that fat is not the prefered fuel for the body. The best way to not catabolize muscle before activity is by taking in carbs. There are a couple of reasons. First it spares your glycogen stores, second its easier on the g.i. tract than protien, and third (and this one is still up for debate among nutritionists)and the most overlooked is that taking in protien before exercise acclimates the body to using protien as a fuel source. That would mean that the body would become even more efficient at breaking down muscle for fuel, potentially even when another fuel is available. But even if you dont believe number three, the first two are reason enough. If youre taking any gear, you shouldnt even be worried about it. The drugs will deal with maintaining the muscle, you just get out there and burn that fat! Protien before. see above, plus ANY calories you take in must be burned before youre AM cardio taps into fat stores, and yes, you will get an insulin reaction from whey, and fat cant burn in the presence of insulin. Mabye not enough of an insulin raise to register on a glucometer, but you will be OUT OF KETOSIS! (and even if you werent, you need to burn the calories you took in before you can burn the fat). water shouldnt make any difference e/c or e/c/a would be of great benefit if you can tolerate it on an empty stomach. Optimal cardio is at 60% of max. heart rate, which figures out to this. If you can hold a conversation, but just barely, thats pretty close to right. If you cant catch your breath to speak its to high, and if the words flow out without needing to pause for a breath now and again, its not high enough. Personally, I ride 45min. a day 4-5 times a week. I get up at 5:30am and ride, then get ready for work. If I can, I'll ride for 30min a couple times a week in the evening before bed... IP: Logged
cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 169)	posted June 18, 2000 01:55 PM "first of i would like to hear from anyone that is certified in these types of fields because(no flame intended)you guys are just using "gym science"...the point of doing early morning cardio is to tap into your fat stores faster than after glycogen levels rise after eating" Correct. "..also that 60-75%crap is the most effiecient(sure you'll burn more cals but remember which cals do you want to burn?) because when you do higher intensitity you body uses 1/3 fatty acids and 2/3 gylcogen as oppossed to moderate intensity which is 2/3 fatty acids and 1/3 gylcogen...these are all according to after eating throughout out the day, if your body has no glycogen then it will be that much more effiecient" Incorrect. At rest the body uses almost all fatty acids for fuel, since it is in an aerobic state and fat is oxidized using O2. So theoretically doing nothing is best. But you are expending very few calories. When VO2 is increased during exercise, the ratio of fat to carbs is reduced, since carbs don't require O2 to burn. The studies have shown greater fat loss with higher VO2 max exercise because the total amount of calories is greater. As long as a caloric deficit is present, fat loss will occur. This is easily compensated for by overeating, no matter what the exercise intensity is. In real world evidence, who looks better sprinters or endurance runners? Next, the body always has some glycogen stores, even in ketosis some glycogen is formed from aminos and glycerol. "..oh and to settle the protein debate...i have been having a 40g protein shake before cardio and to make sure this is true i have a glucometer...sorry guys but it didnt raise my blood sugar levels which i tried on a sunday and tested every 1/2 hr for 4hrs" Certain aminos will stimulate insulin release, leucine being one. No need for blood glucose to increase. IP: Logged
Juicer56 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301)	posted June 18, 2000 05:20 PM well atleast we are all educated enough to have a good argument....cockdezel..im curious to the source of your information...i just finished being re-certified in a nutrition and a exercise science course and this is where i derived my information from correct or incorrect doesnt matter to me i just want to get to the bottom of this IP: Logged

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