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 sus + d-bol or deca ?
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shocker005 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:34 PM
  
First of all I'm 68" 170lbs I've been lifting a couple of years but high reps low wieght only. I just started lifting heavy a month ago. I started a cycle of sus a while back but I jumped into it to quickly. Didn't study up on it enough.Had to abandon on week 3 . Now, what I need to know before going south is what would work best with 500mg of sos a week. d-bol or deca? I have clomid and nolv. Ups and down of deca and d-bol please ! IP: Logged |
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roidhead69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:39 PM
I like sust and deca better, but either will work. I would go for the cheaper of the two. IP: Logged |
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scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 331) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:41 PM
If your looking for the most gains out of this cycle then you should definetly go with the d-bol.However you will experience more side effects on d-bol like water retention & acne.It can also be pretty hard on your liver so take some milk thistle(liver antioxidant) with it also. IP: Logged |
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AY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 195) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:47 PM
Finding real deca is not easy or cheap. There are lots of counterfeits out there. If you do get it, it's good stuff. There aren't a lot of side effects and you will keep most of your gains. The drawback is that you may experience 'deca dick'. To me I won't ever stack deca without some sort of test. D-bol is an oral and it's strongly anabolic. I like it but it's hard on the liver. It causes significant bloating and water retention. As a result, a lot of the weight you gain may be lost after the cycle. Also, I have experienced mild acne and puffiness around the face especially. It's nothing permanent and goes away after the cycle. Both are good to stack with your sust. I'd prefer d-bol as I don't need to stick myself, plus it's fast-acting. I use it till the test kicks in and then taper off. Hope this helps. AY IP: Logged |
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Bossman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 233) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:53 PM
D-bol alone is not permanent, but with sus is great. I'd go with the d-bol if you're trying to really bulk up. Deca is highly counterfeitted IP: Logged |
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GUNSG Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 79) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:54 PM
I USE SUST WITH DECA FOR EIGHT WEEKS WITH REF-B FOR THE FIRST 4-5 WEEKS. REF-B IS A CHEAP D-BOL. THIS MAKES YOU SWELL FAST AND THE SUST AND DECA MAKE YOU KEEP IT. ANOTHER OPTION IS USING NORANDREN FOR YOUR DECA. IT IS A POOR MAN DECA, IT WORKS GREAT FOR ME. IF YOUR GOING SOUTH PICK ME SOME UP. I'M CURRENTLY OUT. IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1140) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:54 PM
Go with the dbol....great way to kickstart a cycle....it is moderately liver toxic if taken in large quanties, and over a long period of time....25mg's for weeks 1 to 3 and 20 for weeks 4 and 5 should pose no problem....test is the best base for a stack...my personal opinion though....I'm sure 2Thick would agree....heh heh heh!!! This outa get good!!! Ranger IP: Logged |
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shocker005 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:57 PM
Thanx, I don't mind pins and I have plenty of pic's of AS (thanx to E2's site),plus a good vet in nogalas.So I think I'll go with deca. 250 sus/ 200 deca every 4 dys clomid 50mg eod nolv on hand ? IP: Logged |
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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 289) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:58 PM
Screw that!! Go with sust, 8-10 d-bols a day and 400 mg of deca a week ------------------ IP: Logged |
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dahmer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 263) |
posted June 14, 2000 08:02 PM
As far as acne, I am prone to acne(have very oily skin) I have been on d-bol for almost two weeks and nothing really. I have some mild breakouts but, they seem to dissapear as fast as I get them??!! I use plenty of washes and cremes. My friend in currently on sust and he is pretty dammed oily right now!!! He usually has very clear skin but the sust changed that. I guess that is the price you pay for growing!! Why don't you do all three?? The E2 special!!! IP: Logged |
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shocker005 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted June 15, 2000 10:34 AM
Hmmmmmmmm IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2821) |
posted June 15, 2000 03:00 PM
Your best bet would be a Deca only cycle. Maybe add 3 weeks of D-Bol at the beginning to jump-start your cycle. Forget about test for your first few cycles. You will see great results rom the Deca. Most of the weight is permanent too (unlike test). ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3481) |
posted June 15, 2000 03:26 PM
Take them all, do this. sust deca dbol clomid 100mg.day as well clomid eod during whole cycle, the deca shot once a week the sust shot every 3 days, and the dbol take EVERY 4 HOURS including nightime. You also need 20 tbs of novaldex 20mg each in case of gyno, if it presents itself, 40mg/day for 5 days then 20mg.day for another 5. Wow, look ma!! It's a cycle that will make you grow!! IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1140) |
posted June 15, 2000 03:27 PM
I respectfully dis-agree with the Deca advice....test, even at low dosages should be the base for most bulking stacks.....It got you this far....it's what makes us men!!! I feel Deca will leave you wanting more than what you got...my opinion though!!! Ranger IP: Logged |
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eclass Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 77) |
posted June 15, 2000 05:15 PM
LISTEN TO E2 MY NEXT CYCLE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME EXCEPT THE SUST IS 750 1ST WEEK, THEN 500 DOWN THROUGH THE 7TH AND THEN 250 FOR THE LAST AND DECA 400 STRAIGHT THROUGH IP: Logged |
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muscles2 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 216) |
posted June 15, 2000 08:48 PM
from my experience shocker, which i just came off of this cycle 750 mg of sustanon 250, 400mg of decca a week and 40mg of d-bol a day gave me around 15 pnds of solid gains and i actually got more cut up than i thought i would. stayed on this cycle for 6 weeks. as for me this will be my new presummer stack from now on. take care! IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1140) |
posted June 15, 2000 09:53 PM
Votes are in 2Thick....and I think the test heads have it!!! Ranger IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2821) |
posted June 15, 2000 11:59 PM
If you want to use E2's cycle, then you will waste a lot of money in the future. The reason is that you will need to use high dosages from that time on to attain favorable gains. If you do a Deca/D-bol cycle and save the Test for the 3rd or 4th cycle, then you will get some great gains from the Deca (and other weaker AS) and then get great gains from the test in the future. It is your choice. ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/syringes IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 936) |
posted June 16, 2000 02:07 AM
i love test/d-bol so I would say sus/d-bol big-guy IP: Logged |
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Wess1017 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted June 16, 2000 02:01 PM
I highly agree with 2thick. First of all if you use 1 gram of test in your first cycle then how much test do you think your gonna have to use on your upcoming cycles. I have a bunch of buddies that did mild cycles their first time around and they had great gains (20-25 lb) and it only involved like 1 shot of deca a wk and like 3-4 dbols a wk. Now we use a little better stacks here and there and are still making great gains because we didn't suck up our receptors so early on. On each of my cycles i've gained an average of 15-20 and i'm on my 3rd right now. My friend did the same thing and the hardest my cycles have been was this one which only involved 3 shots of t-200 a wk and 2 shots of deca and 6 dbols a wk tapering down and i'm on wk 7 and have gained another 17 lbs so far. You have plenty of time to blow up, on your first cycle you might only gain 20 lbs or so with a mild cycle and on an insano cycle you might gain 30 but with 1/5 of the juice you might have used and still get most of the gains and that way you don't waste your money. IP: Logged |
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shocker005 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted June 16, 2000 07:07 PM
Alright, I picked up some nor200 x 10ml thats all I could get. I guess you guys beat me to the vet, he was out of everything but one vile.What the fuck can I do with 10ml !!!!??????????? Thats 2000mg right ? SHIT !! IP: Logged |
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shocker005 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted June 17, 2000 12:41 PM
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