posted June 14, 2000 06:36 AM            

L8R

posted June 14, 2000 08:41 AM            

I also find that my mood crashes and I dont get motivated very well when I have finished it, regardless of tapering.

I also use some over the counter supps to try and kick start my thyroid.

In the end, my endocrinologist just said f*ck it, dont worry about it. just gain a little more mus on cycle. so when you cut up you will be what you want. Pretty cool i think, but personally i found the t3 eait not only my fat levels but my muscle as well.

posted June 14, 2000 08:59 AM            

dont stay on t3 more than 5-6 weeks

posted June 14, 2000 10:39 AM            

I only do 6 weeks tops, with no probs. 3rd cycle in 3 years. I can get it from him now, but suppliers are cheaper than my bad insurance.
Hope that helps. Have never heard the Wilsons disease discussed here and I will see what else I can find on it.

posted June 14, 2000 05:04 PM         

T3 is a corkscrew shapped molecule - it bends. T3 to activate the metabolism has to corkscrew to the left (called levorotary or rotates left). In Wilsons syndrome the T3 corkscrews or rotates to the right (dextro rotary). On a standard blood test (which cannot differentiate which direction the T3 rotates) both levo and dextro rotary T3 are measured. So if someone with Wilsons syndrome gets a free T3 test they will look like they have a normal thyroid function, when in fact they do not. There is a blood test called a RT3 (reverse T3) that will distinguish Wilsons - but as Bunny55 mentioned taking the temperature is about 90% as accurate. Wilsons methodology for taking the temperature correctly is taking the temperature 9 times over 3 days (3 X day for 3 days). If it averages less than 98.6 it is considered fairly clinically accurate for having Wilsons. The condition was known long before Dr. Wilsobn named it after himself.

posted June 14, 2000 07:58 PM         

This is also why many people do not feel any better when they take synthroid or other T4 compounds. T4 is the less active thyroid componant that the body changes into T3. If the person has Wilsons all they will do when given Synthroid is manufacture even more reverse T3. Giving T3 makes people with Wilsons feel great...as does Armour thyroid a naatural compound that contains both T3 and T4.

As I said L-tyrosine is important (L-tyrosine, the protein globulin and iodine are combined in the liver to make thyroglobulin. Thyroglobulin goes to the thyroid and is made into T4 primarily. T4 goes to the tissues and is made to some degree into T3). Rubidium is also an important mineral to stop the body from making the reversed twist.

I think the best/most cost effective products for increasing thyroid output (if the person does not have Wilsons) is Energenics made by the company Metagenics. I also like GTA for primary thyroid dysfunction, Thyrostim to stimulate the anterior pituitary and hypothalamus (indicated by low TSH)...but for Wilsons syndrome I really like Meta-Stim which is designed to increase the proper conversion of T4 (thyroxine) to T3 (triiodothyronine). These last 3 products (GTA, Thyrostim and Metastim) can all be ordered from the company D.S.D. 1-800-232-3183. I have no vested interest in these companies - but do order extensivly from them myself.

posted June 14, 2000 08:04 PM            

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posted June 15, 2000 03:29 AM            

Here's a short article for those interested, and some more "lay" info can be found at: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/gundill/thyroid.htm

Thyroid hormones offer significant benefits when
used cautiously and "properly". They should not be used haphazardly as
a fat loss agent however, instead they are valuable in correcting thyroid
dysfunction brought on by androgen use. When done properly, T3 is
used as "replacement therapy" and serves only to normalize decreased
T3 levels. Research has shown that high dose androgens pushes T3
levels down . This is significant because the real value of optimal
thyroid levels is not for fat loss, but instead for optimum anabolic
activity. T3 has diverse facilitative anabolic effects including, increasing
GH secretion, up-regulating GH receptors , up-regulating
IGF-1 receptors , and other less well defined anabolic effects
. Don't get the wrong idea however, for T3 to facilitate
anabolism, it must stay in the high normal range. A little too high or a
little too low significantly changes the biological effects of thyroid
hormones. Bringing T3 levels too high will undoubtedly backfire and
lead to muscle, strength losses, and rebound fat gain.

You will need regular blood tests to determine the optimal dose of T3
(e.g. Cytomel) to bring you up to the optimum range. If you are
unwilling, or do not have access to, regular blood work I would not
recommend using T3. The old "take your morning temperature"
recommendation is simply too inaccurate. Most people use way too
much T3 and cause more problems than anything else. However, if you
are willing to take care of yourself while optimizing muscle gains, have
your free T3 checked before using any T3, yet during your full dose
androgen regimen. Try to bring your free T3 levels up to ~7.0-7.4
pmol/L. Your doctor may use conventional units on your blood work
which means it will read in "pg/dL". If that's the case bring your levels
up to about 450-480 pg/dL. Doing this will allow optimal caloric intake
while minimizing fat gain, as well as optimize the anabolic actions of the
androgens you are using

Good health to you all