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doobie
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted June 13, 2000 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobie   Click Here to Email doobie     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68023203
how do you know which products will turn into estrogen in your body and give you tits and a shriveled dick?and whats the counteracting drug called that prevents the estrogen effects such as tits and a shriveled dick?

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studcj
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posted June 13, 2000 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for studcj   Click Here to Email studcj     Edit/Delete Message
It's called nolvadex. It is an anti-estrogen.
Test and almost any anabolic will aromitize into estrogen. Hence, bitch tits. Always make sure you have nolvadex on hand for a cycle.
As for the shriveled dick... you already have one, but there is no cure for that. hehe..
j/k

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morereps
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posted June 13, 2000 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morereps   Click Here to Email morereps     Edit/Delete Message
Studcj You said it Bro.

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doobie
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posted June 13, 2000 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobie   Click Here to Email doobie     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68023203
so should i take something like clomid or nolvadex at the end of my cycle or during my cycle??and how much do i take?

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8man
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posted June 13, 2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8man   Click Here to Email 8man     Edit/Delete Message
Man...u'r still asking those questions...first it was the DBOL quest. and now this.

If u do a search on the different A.S...u will, and i specify WILLLLLL...find information about this issue as well as other information.

And hey..u'r ass is gonna be toast from all the flames if u don't do some research.

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8man
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posted June 13, 2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8man   Click Here to Email 8man     Edit/Delete Message
Man...u'r still asking those questions...first it was the DBOL quest. and now this.

If u do a search on the different A.S...u will, and i specify WILLLLLL...find information about this issue as well as other information.

And hey..u'r ass is gonna be toast from all the flames if u don't do some research.

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morereps
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posted June 13, 2000 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morereps   Click Here to Email morereps     Edit/Delete Message
The bro's are right. PLease do more research
and homework. Feel free to browse and read,
read,read. Visit all the boards.

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Gilbyag
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posted June 13, 2000 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbyag     Edit/Delete Message
What the fuck is up with you doobie?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Youve been asking shit like this for 2 days now. Do some fuck'n research and quit posting these dumb ass fuck'n questions.

Damn, PLEASE read the fuckn all newbies must read post.

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MakingGains
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posted June 13, 2000 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MakingGains   Click Here to Email MakingGains     Edit/Delete Message
Here is some information. But the peeps are right you have to do alot of research for yourself. I did about 2 years worth of research before I even try any thing.

The first path testosterone could take would be if 5alpha reductase turns it into DHT. Even though DHT has some beneficial effects on muscle gain, it is highly androgenic. DHT is the main cause of steroid's two biggest side effects: balding and enlargement of the prostate (i.e.- prostate hyperplasia).

You know enough about balding, so I won't explain why you don't want it. Basically, DHT binds to the hair follicle in your head. It causes an inflammation that in turn starves your hair of oxygen. Thus, your hair dies. Having an enlarged prostate is definitely something you want to avoid. The frequent need to urinate aside, DHT has been shown to dramatically increase your chances of getting prostate cancer. So how do you avoid this? Take finasteride. Finasteride (also known by the brand names of Proscar and Propecia) has been shown to inhibit 5alpha reductase from converting testosterone to DHT. Research has shown it to be highly effective in treating and preventing baldness and prostate enlargement. I suggest you use the brand name Fincar. Fincar is made in India. Even though it contains the exact same chemical as Proscar (5mg of finasteride), its cost is significantly less than that of Proscar. I suggest using 1 to 1.25 mg of finasteride a day for every 500mg of testosterone you use. If you have a 5mg tablet, that means using one quarter tablet a day. Prolonged use has shown no adverse side effects in most subjects.

I also suggest using Nizoral shampoo. Research has shown that it may prevent balding. For the $20/bottle cost, it is well worth it to use Nizoral shampoo. It also causes no noted negative side effects except a possible dryness of the hair.

The next path that testosterone could take would be if it aromatizes into estrogen. Estrogen can cause the development of gynocomastia (also known as gyno). Gynocomastia is an often seen steroid side effect. It is the irreversible development of breasts in a male subject. Although it is harmless in nature, and very small, it often causes an immense amount of mental anguish in the subject. Estrogen also causes increased water retention, bloat, and an increased rate of fat gain. Getting rid of estrogen is very easy. I suggest the use of an anti-aromatase (i.e.- a substance that prevents testosterone from being converted into estrogen). Arimidex is number one on my list of anti-aromatases. Arimidex is the brand name for anastrozole. It comes in 1mg tablets. I suggest using one-eighth to one quarter of a mg of anastrozole per day per 500mg of testosterone that you use. That equates to using a quarter of a tablet every other day or every day. Anastrozole has been shown in countless research to cut down estrogen production by up to 90%. Prolonged use has been shown to be extremely safe.

Another side effect of testosterone supplementation is testicular shutdown. The body senses all of the excess testosterone in your system and decides to stop producing its own. This causes your testicles to shrink and your sperm count to decrease significantly. The use of clomiphine citrate (more commonly known as clomid) can prevent this from happening. Clomid stimulates your body to keep producing its own testosterone. That way, testicular shutdown never comes about. Even though testicular shutdown is completely reversible once steroid use has ceased, it is a good idea to prevent it from ever happening. Once you stop using steroids, your body will start producing its own testosterone again. But this can take up to a month to happen. During that month, you will have significantly reduced amounts of testosterone in you system. Thus, you will most likely lose much of your gains once you stop using testosterone. To prevent testicular shutdown, I suggest using clomiphine citrate (AKA Clomid). I recommend 25mg of clomid per day per 500mg of testosterone you use. Since clomid most often comes in 50mg tablets, that would equate to one tablet every other day. If you are using 1000mg of testosterone, that equates to 1 tablet a day. Clomid has been shown extremely safe in many laboratory tests and medical research.

Another side effect of testosterone supplementation is an increase in your cholesterol levels. That is why I suggest you follow a low-cholesterol diet when on testosterone. Most of the time you hear about someone having a heart attack because of steroid use, it is most likely due to the fact that the person refused to give up a high cholesterol diet when on steroids. I also suggest getting your blood work done on your first cycle. Personally, my cholesterol level went up from 170 to 200 when on a cycle. I did not stop eating junk food. In fact, I ate a lot more junk food. So personally, testosterone does not affect my cholesterol levels all that much. But you have to find out if it affects you for yourself. If it does, no big deal � just fix up your diet a little.

Testosterone supplementation also has an effect on your sebaceous glands. Your sebaceous glands are located in your skin. Their main responsibility is to produce oil. Testosterone enlarges this gland and cause the production of excess body oil. This in turn leads to acne, which can occur on your back and chest. If you experience this side effect, it is very easy to reverse. Taking 2 showers a day is your first step. Next, tan once or twice a week. If it is summer, go to the beach and swim in the ocean every so often. If it is winter, take a bath using 2 cups of Epson salt and .5 to 1 cup of chlorine bleach every so often.

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toby
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posted June 13, 2000 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for toby   Click Here to Email toby     Edit/Delete Message
There's alot of things that cause that. Arimidex is the best anti-estrogen but really expensive, it does'nt cut into gains. Nolvadex is good to, but it will cut into gains.

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grasshopper
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posted June 13, 2000 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message
Arimidex is not *that* expensive. At $6 per mg, if you're taking .25 mg EOD that's only 75 cents a day.

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