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 My cycle, check it out, starting in one week!!
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The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 246) |
posted June 13, 2000 12:49 PM
  
Ok this is what I am doing, I wrote it all from scratch. It is written as directions, because I gave this cycle to someone else too. Newbies check this out, if u are looking for size. Weeks 1-5 1,000mg of sust, 40mg ref-b per day Weeks 6-10 1,000mg of sust, drop the ref-b cold no taper. Weeks 10-14 Drop the sust, no taper. do 450 mg of equipoise per week, this is the transition period, the sust will still be in you for 4 weeks after your last shot, so it is imperative that u are on the equipoise for at least 4 weeks, Go with 6. Weeks 15-16 Taper off with 200 mg of equipoise per week. Daily shit- *30-40mg of nolvadex per day (u should have no probs with gyno) Once u get on the equipoise keep taking nolvadex, and start clomid by week LP [This message has been edited by The_Blond_Myth (edited June 13, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Bam-Bam Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112) |
posted June 13, 2000 01:01 PM
So you drop the sust in week 11 right. It is not clear. IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 211) |
posted June 13, 2000 01:16 PM
looks like a kick ass cycle to me bro! [This message has been edited by msg (edited June 13, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 470) |
posted June 13, 2000 01:28 PM
Blonde Myth I like this cycle bro I got a couple of questions though: The nolvadex starts from week 1? Why the clomid so late? Nolva is an anti-es but does not stimulate endogenous test prod right? (ignorant question: b-12 for energy?) and last why not wait until gyno effects come knocking before taking the nolva? Great Cycle Bro - can you post your stats currently, I might do a similiar cycel around SEPT. Slopain IP: Logged |
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Krusher Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 268) |
posted June 13, 2000 03:14 PM
Slopain is right, hold off on the Nolva unless you need it, otherwise it will cut into your gains. Do the Clomid all the way through at 50mg/eod then daily at the end. IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 246) |
posted June 13, 2000 08:49 PM
Listen, if your doing test go with antiestrogens from the start, nolvadex will not cut into your gains, that is bullshit. I prefer to use nolvadex over clomid because for me I get a little too much puffiness and fat accumulation on the chest with clomid. U can take the clomid throughout the whole cycle, it really doesnt matter if your natural test it going while your on. Just makes sure u have it going by the time u decide to come off. So guys go ahead and play the gyno game, I already got some descent gyno from prohormones and I am not taking any more chances. The B-12 is for energy and to stimulate appetite. D-bol has a high conversion to estrogen so u are wise to use antiestro's from the start. LP IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 470) |
posted June 13, 2000 09:00 PM
Ok good enough, just asking questions about the cycle you posted. Slopain IP: Logged |
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amaze Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted June 14, 2000 07:46 AM
i think 1,000mg of sust /per week is to much for someone's first cycle! IP: Logged |
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Italianboy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 14, 2000 12:19 PM
I agree with Amaze:your body can't use all this sust.You'll waist almost whole dosage.I think 250mg/wk is good for a beginner.In Italy a doctor prescribed me only 50mg of deca and 70mg winny and 70mg anavar for first cycle!!!!Don't overload your body first time!!! IP: Logged |
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Italianboy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted June 14, 2000 12:20 PM
deca,winny and anaver dose are for week:total 4 weeks,sorry!! IP: Logged |
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BigPappa Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 187) |
posted June 14, 2000 12:22 PM
I disagree with Italianboy and others. As other vets and you'll get the real deal. Here it is: you will NEVER get the same results as you will when you first start taking juice. Because of that, I and other vets, would recommend that you take a nice stacking cycle with some good dosages. Trust me on that one bro! I wish I was in your shoes and had the opportunity to go back and do it right the first time. Ask around on other boards and other vets and you will see that they will say the same thing. IP: Logged |
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yrmstr unregistered (Total posts: 187) |
posted June 14, 2000 12:26 PM
SHIT ! All that for a first timer ? Sounds advanced to me bro. 1000 mg sus is a lot of oil. IP: Logged |
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BigPappa Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 187) |
posted June 14, 2000 12:40 PM
1000mg might be excessive ...but not because it won't work but because of the sides. Aggression, acne, all of that ...if you don't care or can handle it, I say go with it. Your natural test. will shut down completely without the clomid. I'd get some HCG here too. Usually, I recommend against it but in this case I would take 5,000iu, in your fourth week. Great stack bro. Let us know how it goes and watch your diet, monitor your blood pressure, take your vitamins, milk thistle, etc...and use common sense in what your body is telling you. IP: Logged |
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DREXX Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 88) |
posted June 14, 2000 12:41 PM
Blond Myth is this really your first cycle??? I hope you are not doing this to get back at that damn girl. I think it is a well built cycle and you definitely know what you are doing but it is also a very big cycle with big dosages. How much are you looking to gain? 50lbs? How much do you weigh? IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 470) |
posted June 14, 2000 12:43 PM
This is not the blonde myths first cycle. It says that no where in his posts that it is. I still like this cycle. Slopain IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 211) |
posted June 14, 2000 01:06 PM
When one begins administering T at 250-500mg per week, endogenous T production begins to shut down and there is very little noticeable muscle mass gains (most weight gain is water at this point). However, as T dosages reach 1000mg per week, muscle gains are maximized. As one increases the dose over 1000mg T per week, more aromatization (conversion to estrogen) occurs and quantitatively less T is available for muscle building. Likewise, if one adds an anti-aromatase such as Arimidex to the mix, less estrogen is produced but more dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is produced. DHT production (which can result in acne, hair loss, and prostate enlargement) has very little direct anabolic properties, therefore, we are back to the same empirical conclusion-- 1000mg T per week maximizes muscle gains while minimizing estrogen and DHT production-- the two hormones responsible for testosterone-induced side effects. Nolvadex does not block any of the gear receptor sites, so it does not make any gear less effective. A lot of people believe it does simply because when they use a high androgenic compound (ie. testosterone), they lose a few pounds of weight and some strength (a bloated muscle/joint is stronger). This is simply because Nolvadex blocks the estrogen receptor sites, so you don't hold as much water (estrogen causes water retention). However, the gear that you are taking is still working the same at building muscle. one may use novla at 20mg a day throughout not only to stop gyno but to also stop water retention and therefore keep looking hard. it's a top dieting drug to for the above reason, and there are alot of female pros out there who cant get cuts in the lower body unless they take novladex. Use it also when u finish the cycle to retard the esyrogen backlash and to help stop fat accumulating. When people say they gain less while using novladex its only coz their not holding as much water. that was some research i did a while back on the meso sight i think. i like the 1000mg T and the nolva throughout! peace, IP: Logged |
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Milk_Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 144) |
posted June 14, 2000 02:45 PM
first cycle overkill, there is no reason why 25mg d-bol/day should bot give you 20 lbs first time around. MSG, you make it sound like all the test gets converted into estrogen or dht, i do not think that there is any limit that can be breached where this happens. Your body can only make a limited quantity of aromataze or 5a reduction enzimes. DHT is very important for muscle gain anyways, and its not harmful in prostate if you take out the estrogen. IP: Logged |
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msg Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 211) |
posted June 14, 2000 05:41 PM
MILK MAN: I never said that all the T gets converted. it is simply stated that as T dosages reach 1000mg per week, muscle gains are MAXIMIZED and as one increases the dose over 1000mg T per week, MORE aromatization (conversion to estrogen) occurs and QUANTITATIVELY LESS T is available for muscle building. bro, you talk like dht is your friend. dht can causes acne, hair loss, and prostate enlargement. AND dht is not ver anabolic at all! therefore, we are back to the same empirical conclusion-- 1000mg T per week maximizes muscle gains while MINIMIZING estrogen and DHT production-- the two hormones responsible for testosterone-induced SIDE EFFECTS. now, why you think that this is too much T, i do not know. and why you think that dht is not that bad i do not know. peace [This message has been edited by msg (edited June 14, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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