posted June 13, 2000 10:48 AM            

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Just re-read an article that I saw awhile ago in Testosterone.

The gist of the article was to put safety first, go in short cycles for 5-8 lb. gains that stay on after the cycle.

Hypothetically, what do you guys think about:

3 wks on/1 wk taper down/4-5 wks off, with the following:

Deca/Winny Stack:
Deca - 200 mg on day 1, 5, 9, 14, 21
Winny - 20 mg/day x 3wks, 16 mg x 2 days, 12 mg x 2days, 8 mg x 1 day, 4 mg x 1 day, 2 mg x 1 day, off.

-or- a Primo/D-Bol stack with the same dosages.

The author didn't mention Clomid, but do you think 100 mg/day would be beneficial with either of these cycles?

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posted June 13, 2000 11:12 AM            

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You need to also read a later article written by Bill Roberts. I forget the name but it's a little more refined. Basically, you only want to be "on" for 2 weeks. After the two week period, you might as well go on a 6-8 weeker. 2 weeks is the magic number, so to speak, where you get the fastest recovery of your natural test. With clomid added to the mix, you can recover in a few days instead of a few weeks. Go check out the article. O yea, you can only use fast acting sauce for this method, ex. fina propinate, winny, dbol, ect., or you can to one large injection of a slower acting one like 750mg of sust on day one. I'm going to try this method next week. I'll keep you posted with my progress and I post all the specifics then. Later

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posted June 13, 2000 11:33 AM            

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Both sound cheesy to me. It is like drinking a beer or two to get drunk, it just wont do the job

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posted June 13, 2000 11:36 AM            

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For Clomid I recommend 25mg of clomid per day per 500mg of testosterone you use. Since clomid most often comes in 50mg tablets, that would be equate to one tablet every other day. I would include it to your cycle.

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posted June 13, 2000 12:10 PM            

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Primo, I'll look for the article -- be sure to post how your cycle went (product, dosages, etc.) -- I'm very interested.

MG -- thanks for the clomid info, I think it would be a mistake not to use it.

Bear, I know you won't make the type of gains possible on a larger cycle, but, the point of the cycle is not to get "drunk", but to get "buzzed". It's also supposed to be alot easier to keep the muscle gain since it's not as radical as on a larger cycle. Is it true? I don't know. Besides, you keep adding a bit here a bit there, it adds up over time...

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posted June 13, 2000 04:21 PM            

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Well put!! Yes, the theory is that you will keep more of your gains from the combined effect of the dramatically increased recovery time, (some have even reported higher levels of natural test. due to a rebound effect) as well as the fact that the body resists large changes. The key word is homeostasis, the body wants to remain the same. This can be seen in all sorts of ways like the plummiting thyroid output of dieting bodybuilders ect. Therefore your body is more likely to keep 10-15lbs of muscle weight than it is to keep 20-30lbs. Enough said. Later

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posted June 13, 2000 05:00 PM            

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hmmmm sounds good, so why doesnt everyone do that instead?? What are the costs to this quick cycle??

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