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beta
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posted June 13, 2000 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beta   Click Here to Email beta     Edit/Delete Message
OK I asked some ???? already but nobody is answering so ill just be blunt im going to start a cycle of dec and clen in a week , but im wondering if anyone can provide any insight on a better cycle ?? I want to gain about 15-20lbs then cut up, and should how many calories should i eat during my cycle

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lorenzo
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posted June 13, 2000 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lorenzo   Click Here to Email lorenzo     Edit/Delete Message
If you want to gain 15-20 lbs DON'T do deca and clen!!!!

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The_Blond_Myth
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posted June 13, 2000 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The_Blond_Myth   Click Here to Email The_Blond_Myth     Edit/Delete Message
You can get 20lbs easy with d-bol and deca, or d-bol and equipoise. The latter is what I have done. Go with like 30mg d-bol/day for 5 weeks, and equipoise at 400mg/week for 8 weeks. Eat around 3,500 calories, not counting fat, if u add fat calories u should be somewhere around 4,500.

LP

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beta
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posted June 14, 2000 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beta   Click Here to Email beta     Edit/Delete Message
Ok what if I stacked deca and primo
then cut up with clen? I would also like some input on how much acne one could expect to have after a cycle like this , and will my body fat increase or decrease during the cycle?

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vdevil
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posted June 14, 2000 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vdevil   Click Here to Email vdevil     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 71552136
I don't think you can get 20lbs out of deca and primo. Use test or dbol with your deca and throw some finna in at the end with your clen. This WILL give you what you want.

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big_guy1
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posted June 14, 2000 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for big_guy1   Click Here to Email big_guy1     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 5126477
get some testo....deca/clen won't give you 15-20 lbs....

big-guy

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beta
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted June 14, 2000 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beta   Click Here to Email beta     Edit/Delete Message
Ok then I have a problem I dont really want to use an androgenic steriod like dbol this is due to the fact that im prone to acne o ya im only 20 I know everybody says i shold wait and there right i know they are but o well anyways i still get pimples on my back i used to have a big problem with that thats way i dont want to go wtih an androgenic not yet not tell im older but it sounds like deca and primo wont d shit for size. so shold i go with i mild androgenic like sust and stack it with some deca and then some clen, if so ill have to get some antiestrogen nolvadex ( how would i use nol??)do you think my bf will go up on a clycle like this ??
if you have any input please tell me i need all the info i can get befour next week

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SSMAN
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posted June 14, 2000 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SSMAN   Click Here to Email SSMAN     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74456922
I must agree that if you're looking for 15-20 pounds deca and clen, or deca and primo is not the way to go. Try the following 8 week cycle:

..........sust....dbol.........eq
week 1....500.....35mg/day.....
week 2....500.....35mg/day.....
week 3....500.....30mg/day.....400
week 4....500.....25mg/day.....400
week 5....500.....20mg/day.....400
week 6....500.....15mg/day.....400
week 7....500..................300
week 8....500..................200
week 9 clomid 50mg eod
week 10 clomid 100mg/day
week 11 clomid 100mg/day
week 12 clomid 50mg/day

Take clomid eod during the cycle. NOlvadex should only be used if you're experiencing signs of gyno. To minimize acne take frequent showers, use Neutrogena body clear body wash, join a tanning salon, and wipe down with rubbing alcohol a few times every day.

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Bossman
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posted June 14, 2000 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bossman   Click Here to Email Bossman     Edit/Delete Message
SSMAN is right. Do that cycle and you be a machine!!

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christian918
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posted June 14, 2000 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for christian918     Edit/Delete Message
I gained 14 lbs off deca alone, however, I would not use clen if you are trying to gain weight. It will affect your strength and size gains (at least it did to me). If I could go back, I would stack the deca with test and gain even more.

-Christian

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LivLarge
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posted June 14, 2000 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LivLarge   Click Here to Email LivLarge     Edit/Delete Message
Personally i agree with the bros. SSman's stack is great from the results i have heard and the blond myth's stack is also correct for the size you wont to get. But the stack you have is not sufficient for the amount of size you want to put on. For stacking the two things i would go with the deca and dbol or eq.
Good Luck!

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beta
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posted June 14, 2000 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beta   Click Here to Email beta     Edit/Delete Message
ok guys thanks for the info but what do you think about stacking sust with deca??
and whats going to happen to my bf?? does anyone keep good abs while bulking???

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SSMAN
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posted June 14, 2000 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SSMAN   Click Here to Email SSMAN     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74456922
Don't cheat your body by being overly concerned with body fat while bulking. A bulking cycle is just that......getting bigger. If you focus on not wanting to put on body fat you'll hinder your muscle gains. Bulk....then cut and bring out those abs. You can use Deca in place of EQ if that's your preference, but I'm having incredible results on a cycle of dbol/sust/eq.

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thermo
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posted June 14, 2000 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thermo     Edit/Delete Message
bump ssman good cyc-im gonna do it myself if its available

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