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 Hey any EQ experts or Physiology people out there...here's one for ya.
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Marauder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 408) |
posted June 12, 2000 04:28 PM
  
Okay, one of EQ's effects id that it increases the amount of red blood cells in your body, which theoretically would be great for endurance...correct? Anyway, after you get off the EQ, do you keep the elevated Red blood cell count? I was wondering....The question is fucking with me...Thanks for any help bros! marauder out. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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buffut Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 69) |
posted June 12, 2000 04:32 PM
Polycythemia is a side effect of EQ, which in most cases can help with endurance if you are an edurance runner it can actually help by increase oxygen delivery. I am almost 100% sure that the polycythemia shoudl resolve after the EQ is stopped. IP: Logged |
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Marauder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 408) |
posted June 12, 2000 04:59 PM
anybody else want to shed some light? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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NoviceJuicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted June 12, 2000 09:27 PM
Ahhhh....here is one of the contradictory paradoxes that at first glance defy logic. More blood cells does not equal better endurance. About 20-30 years ago some endurance athletes (even Olympic athletes) tried "blood doping" - they took out some blood every day for 6 weeks, then a few days before their event they added it back in thinking more RBC's (red blood cells) would equal greater oxygen delivery and therefore better endurance.
Around 1984 I was a good runner. I came in second in a 4 mile race (20 minutes and 21 seconds) - the winner was on the US Olympic marathon team. About 400 people were in this race. I was amazed to find that most elite runners have slight anemia - normocytic hyperchromic anemia (there are many varieties of anemia's). WHY? Reducing the total number of RBC's thins out the blood. Thinner blood circulates faster, therefore moving the RBC's to the peripheral tissues and back to the lungs for more oxygen in a shorter amount of time. Thicker blood with more RBC's is like sucking honey through a straw - not very efficient for endurance work. But great for filling up tubes (increased vascularity). More oil in your crankcase does not equal a car that necessarily runs better.... [This message has been edited by NoviceJuicer (edited June 12, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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gearface Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted June 12, 2000 10:11 PM
Hmmmm I never knew that. Thanx for the info. Ya learn sumthin new on this board everyday. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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GENEPOOL Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 33) |
posted June 12, 2000 10:58 PM
Please explain to me why the tour De france was almost distroyed by the use of EPO? EPO is responsible for the production of red blood cells, Marco Pantinni one of the worlds greatest endurance cyclist was banned because of EPO,namely the fact that his red blood cell count was 52%!! And all done under the supervision of team doctors!! IP: Logged |
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matty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 824) |
posted June 12, 2000 11:07 PM
so according to this theory , if eq makes your blood thicker isnt it harder for the heart to pump? therefor risking high bp or heart attack?? i mean i know that it increases the redblood cells making your muscles look more dense, but at what cost to the other organs like the heart? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 141) |
posted June 13, 2000 05:53 AM
Polycythemia does occur with various steroids, boldenone, oxymetholone, etc., but this is only for the duration of the drug's use. After stopping the body lacks the signal for increased production and normalizes itself. RBC's have a lifespan of about 120 days so after about 4months it should be normal. "Ahhhh....here is one of the contradictory paradoxes that at first glance defy logic. More blood cells does not equal better endurance. About 20-30 years ago some endurance athletes (even Olympic athletes) tried "blood doping" - they took out some blood every day for 6 weeks, then a few days before their event they added it back in thinking more RBC's (red blood cells) would equal greater oxygen delivery and therefore better endurance." "Did it work?" Yes, but it was very time consuming and costly. "Well, do you hear of any endurance athletes doing it today?" No it is not done to any extent today due to erythropoetin. "Around 1984 I was a good runner. I came in second in a 4 mile race (20 minutes and 21 seconds) - the winner was on the US Olympic marathon team. About 400 people were in this race. I was amazed to find that most elite runners have slight anemia - normocytic hyperchromic anemia (there are many varieties of anemia's). WHY? Reducing the total number of RBC's thins out the blood. Thinner blood circulates faster, therefore moving the RBC's to the peripheral tissues and back to the lungs for more oxygen in a shorter amount of time. Thicker blood with more RBC's is like sucking honey through a straw - not very efficient for endurance work. But great for filling up tubes (increased vascularity)." This is true, but this does not negate the fact that blood doping and erythropoetin use do increase performance. The increased levels of RBC's increase the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood, but the problem has always been that elite endurance athletes lose tremendous amounts of fluid during an event. This hypovolumia causes the problem that you mentioned, namely blood thickening which causes vascular congestion. There are several cases of athletes who died after events and it was determined that this was the cause of death. IP: Logged |
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NoviceJuicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted June 13, 2000 08:27 AM
The comment about blood pressure and risk of stroke is a good one. Especially in regards to the platelets. Platelets above 250 increase the risk of stroke, even though most labs have a reference range of up to 450. Which points out the flaw in the whole idea of a reference range. Every lab makes up its reference ranges for the most part based on the averages of the blood it samples. If a new lab started up and the roid heads from this board were the first it sampled, its reference ranges for free testsosterone would be markedly higher than most other labs. Alot of people getting blood work done think that those reference ranges are set in stone, but they are all arbitrary numbers (except for a few levels like Cholesterol, blood sugar in regards to diabetes and a handful of others) IP: Logged |
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Marauder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 408) |
posted June 13, 2000 01:06 PM
cool, keep this shit coming, i'm sure there's others who've wondered this... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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matty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 824) |
posted June 13, 2000 01:49 PM
Novice Jucier! let me get this straight, so being on EQ increase RBC's , and having a high platlete count can increase a chance of stroke??? am i close? so the fact that im doing eq at 400mgs per wk and cardio 45min a day , i could have a stroke??? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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