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Harleyguy
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posted June 09, 2000 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harleyguy   Click Here to Email Harleyguy     Edit/Delete Message
I'm on a 10 week cycle of Primo(300mg a week)Deca(200mg a week)and Winny(50mg EOD for the last six weeks)This is my first cycle,and as you can see,it is as mild one.The results so far have been amazing and the sides have been minimal,until now.My reason for concern is that my right testicle is sore,it started about a week ago and is progressively getting worse(yes I've been taking clomid EOD)Some info I can give you is that my sex drive has definetly gone done and I only masterbate once maybe twice a week.My testicles haven't shrunk one bit.I am really concerned about this.What is going on?Should I stop,theres only 21/2 weeks to go.

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SSMAN
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posted June 09, 2000 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SSMAN   Click Here to Email SSMAN     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74456922
I would seek medical attention right away. Be honest with the doctor about what you're doing (be prepared for the lecture). Good luck and keep us posted.

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BigPappa
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posted June 09, 2000 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigPappa     Edit/Delete Message
Bro...you REALLY need to get some androgens in there fast. Take some test...take something fast acting like propionate and take 400mg your first two weeks and then if you want, stay there. If not, stay on at least 200mg per week. That is the problem..all of your items are very low androgenic. No need for the doc yet. Problem is you are taking clomid when your balls weren't even shut down really...You'll have major deca dick here soon if you don't get some androgens in your body. Really should have done more research before putting all of this stuff in your body!

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SSMAN
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posted June 09, 2000 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SSMAN   Click Here to Email SSMAN     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74456922
The reason I suggest a doctor is because I have a friend who had pain during a very mild cutting cycle and it turned out to be totally unrelated. It was testicular cancer........see a doctor!!

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Harleyguy
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posted June 09, 2000 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harleyguy   Click Here to Email Harleyguy     Edit/Delete Message
BP,thanks for the response.I did research,and on the advice of two Mods,I was taking the Clomid EOD.Should I stop the clomid?Obviously it will take time,probably to much time before I can get my hands on some test(2-3 weeks)Whats the best thing to do right now?Stop everything?

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BigPappa
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posted June 09, 2000 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigPappa     Edit/Delete Message
Whow!...yeah, I guess you should always see a doctor if your nads hurt. My point was that it is probably NOT related to your cycle...but, I wouldn't chance anything with the family jewels

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Harleyguy
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posted June 09, 2000 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harleyguy   Click Here to Email Harleyguy     Edit/Delete Message
Bump

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MattTheSkywalker
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posted June 09, 2000 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MattTheSkywalker   Click Here to Email MattTheSkywalker     Edit/Delete Message
harley,

Gotta use some common sense here bro. Your balls hurt. See a doc. Unless aching nuts and no sex drive is no big deal to you.

Matt

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BigPappa
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posted June 09, 2000 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigPappa     Edit/Delete Message
I wouldn't stop unless the doc says its a problem that you know is related. Just go see the doc...don't tell him about your gear...see what he says and if he can diagnose it. If you tell about clomid, first he'll run to get his physician desk reference since these fuckers are so out of tune with pharmacology. Then he'll see that it is a woman's fertility drug and freak on you! Then he'll give you the third degree about juice so either tell him upfront to save the moral bullshit or don't mention it to him...unless, he is at a loss and is ready to cut you up for some exploratory surgery and then I'd give him ALL the info. he might need.

I wouldn't stop anything but get some test fast!...suspension is fastest acting but hurts like a mo fo. Prop. is next.

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BigPappa
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posted June 09, 2000 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigPappa     Edit/Delete Message
...one more thing.

don't be surprised if you lose ALL of your sex drive. don't worry ..it'll come back and unless you are porn star and make a living out of banging then don't worry about it. What kind of nut pain are you talking about? Sharp constant pain? Shooting pain? Like you've been kicked in the nads?! Ouch! hurts just thinking about it!!! Maybe your underwear is on too tight!! LOL.

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Harleyguy
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posted June 09, 2000 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harleyguy   Click Here to Email Harleyguy     Edit/Delete Message
It's kinda hard to explain,but the pain is coming from the whole right are of my sac,it's not a shooting pain,it's just a constant mediocore discomfort. It's by no means unbearable,but it's there.My nuts haven't changed size or shape at all throughout this cycle.I'm hoping that my right testicle is just telling me that you gotta release some sperm,like I said,my ejaculations have definetly dropped since the I started the cycle.
Now I have decided to go see my doctor,she already knows about the Deca and the Clomid,but not about the Primo or the Winny.I won't tell her either,I'm pretty sure that she will just send me to see a Urologist.I'm suppose to shoot today,and take clomid.I haven't done either yet.Should I continue the cycle and drop the clomid?What do you guys think?

I'll keep you up to date on what the Doc says.

Like I said,unfortunely getting some Test in me fast is not an option right now,it will take a few weeeks to get some.

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MP5
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posted June 09, 2000 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MP5   Click Here to Email MP5     Edit/Delete Message
Without test, and taking deca, you are sure to get deca dick. I would atleast stop the deca for now, and head to the doc. You should get some test also because even at low doses it can lift your sex drive. Have fun at the doc, mine chewed my ass for creatine.

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2Thick
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posted June 09, 2000 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
It may be caused by the Clomid. You really do not need the Clomid with this cycle until after the last shot. Seeing the Doc is not a bad idea. In fact you should see your doctor regularly during a cycle for check-ups. I do not believe the problem is from the gear.

Forget about the androgens (i.e. testosterone). Also, you should not worry about the Deca Dick unless you are part of the 1-5%(estimate) who is affected by a slowdown of libido caused by deca.

You can never be too careful. Also, discontinue the Clomid and only use it for two weeks after your last injection.


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BigPapaPump
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posted June 09, 2000 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigPapaPump   Click Here to Email BigPapaPump     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 39254017
Well well, hopefully no one thought that the bigpoppa was me....the advice sucks.

Your nad hurting is common. Its you bodys way of telling you that it is cutting down on natural test production. I don't know who told you to take clomid during the cycle, this is counter productive and only to be used after cycle. Unless the pain is unbearable, I wouldn't worry about it...it will pass. Mail me if you need some more info.

BPP

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macrophage69alpha
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posted June 09, 2000 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with 2thick- except for his serious underestimation of those adversely affected by Deca.
clomid can cause testicular discomfort- it is a fairly common side effect.
you may discontinue the clomid use
or
you may cut back and take it every 3-4 days.

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Harleyguy
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posted June 10, 2000 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harleyguy   Click Here to Email Harleyguy     Edit/Delete Message
2thick,BPP,Macro.Thank you all so very much for your opinons and advice.You have put my mind at ease.For now I will discontinue the use of the clomid and only use post cycle.I still plan on seeing the Doc tomorrow,and will keep you updated.Thanks again bros.

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NoviceJuicer
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posted June 10, 2000 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
Almost certainly NOT testicular cancer. I understand that SSMan's friend apparently had pain and testicle cancer, but......Testicle cancer is almost always PAINLESS. It shows up most commonly as a non-painful lump on one side of the scrotum. Although it is getting to be an older form of examination, commonly a bright light is shined through the scrotum in a darkened room...tumors are opaque and benign problems (like a hydrocele or spermatocele) will be translucent (letting the light shine through the lump). So unless you are a rare one you can breath easier until your appointment since it is probably not cancer.

Probably - epidydmitis. Inflammation of the epididymus (tubes just on top of the testes that are incubation sites sort of). One good night of excessive pounding (or a frustating tease session resulting in blue balls) can create this inflammation.

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