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Titan
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posted June 03, 2000 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Titan   Click Here to Email Titan     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 66708785
Everytime i do sqauts i pass out after. Ive tried low wieght high reps, high wieght low reps and neither help. After i do them it takes about a minute before i start to get dizzy and pass out. Ive been to a cardiologist (spelling??) and they couldnt find anything wrong but told someone might have to monitor me while i do them. They told me they couldnt do that and didnt refer me to anyone. This only happens with squats and ive been working out for about 4 years. Can anyone give me some advice????

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Jim Layhoe
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posted June 03, 2000 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Layhoe   Click Here to Email Jim Layhoe     Edit/Delete Message
I get head rushes but i don't pass out.
Are you breathing prop.?

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Parabellum
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posted June 03, 2000 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Parabellum   Click Here to Email Parabellum     Edit/Delete Message
Are you somehow cutting off your circulation?
Hmmm......

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Frackal
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posted June 03, 2000 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frackal   Click Here to Email Frackal     Edit/Delete Message
What kind of things have you or are you currently taking? ie. ephedra, yohimbine etc...

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matty
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posted June 03, 2000 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74082278
YEAH WHAT ARE YOU TAKING???????????

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Titan
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posted June 03, 2000 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Titan   Click Here to Email Titan     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 66708785
When this was happening i was only taking some extra protien and i told my football coach about it and he watched me to make sure i was breathing right and he said that it look like i was.

I havent been doing squats rescently because i was tired of this always happening.

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matty
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posted June 03, 2000 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74082278
THATS STRANGE.... I WOULD GO BACK TO THE MD AND DEMAND AN ANSWER FOR WHY THIS IS HAPPENING!! HAVE SOME BLOOD WORK DONE! MAYBE YOU HAVE LOW BLOOD SUGAR, OR IRON POOR BLOOD, OR SOMETHING?????

GOOD LUCK!

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matty
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posted June 03, 2000 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74082278
THATS STRANGE.... I WOULD GO BACK TO THE MD AND DEMAND AN ANSWER FOR WHY THIS IS HAPPENING!! HAVE SOME BLOOD WORK DONE! MAYBE YOU HAVE LOW BLOOD SUGAR, OR IRON POOR BLOOD, OR SOMETHING?????

GOOD LUCK!

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Joe Juicer
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posted June 03, 2000 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Juicer   Click Here to Email Joe Juicer     Edit/Delete Message
Question: Are you putting your belt on real tight?

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BigGuns2
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posted June 03, 2000 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BigGuns2   Click Here to Email BigGuns2     Edit/Delete Message
I saw something similar to this once. There was an article on this person who had a malformed bone on his skull. When he would put his head in a certain position, this bone would press against the carotid artery and cut off the blood flow to the brain, making him pass out. Could this be your problem? Good luck, and if this doctor still insists that nothing is wrong, find another doctor!

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Titan
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posted June 03, 2000 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Titan   Click Here to Email Titan     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 66708785
I have tried it with and without a belt and neither made it better or worse.

Do you know where i can get this article??? Ive never heard of anyone else having this problem. And the reasons i never went to a different docter is ill have to travel 4 hours to see one of the best in the field. So i quit doing sqauts and just do leg presses. I do ok on them.

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animal B
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posted June 03, 2000 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for animal B   Click Here to Email animal B     Edit/Delete Message
forget the MDs for now and go to a chiropractor, your atlas be be out, when squatting, every bone is moving,and a little bit of pressure on that vertebral artery would cause you to pass out....yes I am a chiropractor....let me know what happens

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thiassi
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posted June 03, 2000 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thiassi   Click Here to Email thiassi     Edit/Delete Message
If you lock your knees at the top for too long you can cut off circulation. But it would have to be for several minutes.

L8R

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Vlad67
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posted June 03, 2000 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vlad67   Click Here to Email Vlad67     Edit/Delete Message
have you had your blood pressure checked?


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Titan
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posted June 03, 2000 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Titan   Click Here to Email Titan     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 66708785
I had my blood pressure check just the other day and they told me it was ok something like 124/76 and ive never had any problems with it before.

Animal ill go to a chiropractor monday and have this checked. Just happens that i work out with a chiropractor.

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Verbal Gorilla
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posted June 03, 2000 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Verbal Gorilla   Click Here to Email Verbal Gorilla     Edit/Delete Message
Are you trying to cut up and not eating enough?

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Pops
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posted June 04, 2000 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pops   Click Here to Email Pops     Edit/Delete Message
This used to happen to me also. do this:

1. take an iron supplement daily

2. drink a carb drink during your workouts.

3. take 5-7 min rests between sets.

4. warm up on the bike for at least 15 mins before training legs

5. use a pad on the bar to help
cushion your upper back.

-Pops

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Mojo
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posted June 04, 2000 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mojo   Click Here to Email Mojo     Edit/Delete Message
Are you holding your breath while you squat? Do an experiment. Hold your breath, and act like your straining to push back up. push out. You get dizzy as hell don't you? Your problem could be as simple as that. You have to remember to breath during the most strenuous part of your reps, or you will pass out. You may be breathing right now? This is just a suggestion. Just an educated guess.

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wade bravo
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posted June 04, 2000 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wade bravo   Click Here to Email wade bravo     Edit/Delete Message
Shit if all else fails just stick with the leg presses. Can you do hack squats? Squats are not the be all end all of leg development.When i do them my ass grows more than anything else.

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NoviceJuicer
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posted June 04, 2000 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoviceJuicer     Edit/Delete Message
WHen you say passing out ...are you actually losing consciousness? That would be syncope. Or do you feel off balance - called dysequilibrium. Or do you feel dizzy and light headed - called vertigo. Maybe do the squat and then lie down immediately while taking deep breaths.

They can monitor you while you squat....its called a Holter monitor. Its a small EKG case about the size of a fanny pack, you wear it 24 hours for a few days. Holter monitors are a very common method of evaluating cardiac conditions. Please, tell me that they have at least done one resting EKG.....RIGHT? Many minor heart arrythmias can cause syncope - Wolf Parkinson White syndrome, premature atrial contractions (PAC), premature ventricular contractions (PVC), fascicular block, Winkebock phenonenon, etc. And these might not show up on a quick resting EKG, even the newer 12 lead models. The Holter is a good idea.

An echocardiogram is also a good idea. Echos are used to check for valvular defects, that can cause passing out. Not likely but still possible. Some MD;s and chiropractors also do a phoncardiograph. It also checks the valves but is a functional test and not an anatomic test. They use something like a stethoscope but it prints out a computerized print out that can indicate if valves are opening and shutting properly. If not it can alter blood flow and screw up circulation.

Maybe your breathing problems occur after the squat. you may breath well during the squat, but then hyperventilate after the squat.

Doppler ultrasound may be in order. It is a painless non-invasive way to check for plaque or narrowing in the arteries. They can use it to check any artery- especially the ones in the neck supplying the brain with blood. You might have congenitally or otherwise narrowed internal carotid arteries - or sublavian steel syndrome in which the brachial artery typically is blocked and is shunting blood through the vertebral artery like a vein.


Iron poor blood - doubtful. Iron supplements are the #1 cause of accidental poisoning in chidren. Iron is so ubiquitous that almost nobody (short of severe bleeding) need iron. In fact it can be toxic to adults and now they know that many men have hemosiderosis, toxic buiild up of iron and have to donate blood regularly or die. They used to make most multiple vitamins with iron and much fewer are. Regardless of what an iron blood test shows, nobody should take iron unless they also have a blood test called a ferritin done. Low blood sugar is a good suggestion. Do you intake any carbs

Vertebral artery impingement should not cause this sort of dizziness. The vertebral artery is a secondary supply of blood to the brain in a healthy person. The only time vertebral artery impingement is typically of concern is in the case of dissection when the tunica intima (inner lining) of the artery tears off and occludes or blocks the blood flow. Cholesterol plaque almost never occurs in the vertebral artery. Plaque in that artery is typically of fibrous nature. Neck misaligment might alter neurologic flow however and result in dizziness, so a Chiropractic adjustment might be a good idea.

At rest do you feel strong abdominal pulsations. you really shouldn't. There are abdominal circulatory problems that can cause such symptoms - one being an abdominal aortic anuerysm. you sound very young so it is highly unlikely but not impossible.

Inner ear problem? Do you ever get dizzy at other times when turning your head, or altering your head position? Any headaches when moving, turning or altering your head position.

Adrenal insufficiency? SOme people under chronic stress of any nature will exhaust their adrenals. One common symptom is blood pressure that drops when rising....sometimes their vision will dim when they stand up. One way it is tested is blood pressure is taken when laying down, then they rise up quickly and the blood pressure is taken again.

Mostly this post is to point out the many things that could cause such a problem. SOme are very mild in nature and others could be quite serious. Don't be intimidated by a doctor. They are your employee. Anyone you pay works for you. Find someone who takes it seriously and does the appropriate tests. A doctor should assume the worst until proven otherwise, that way he makes no mistakes. But today doctors often assume the best (its nothing), but that is how serious problems are missed. you can't get a new body at Walmart. Don't just be a number to some doctor. you can bet if you were his little bro he would take it more seriously. They mioght take it seriously since you are young - "Oh, he'll outgrow it".... but find someone who treats your health as though it is the most important thing in the world - that is their job.

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Titan
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posted June 05, 2000 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Titan   Click Here to Email Titan     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 66708785
Thanks to everyone that has tried to help me out. It means alot.

This all started when i was 15 or 16 and im 20 now. When i went to the docter they either its in my head or ill out grow it.

This is how it happens: A few seconds after i get done squating i start to see stars. Then i get really dizzy, and everything starts to spin. By now i cant walk staight. Then everything starts to go black and sometimes i get sick and sometimes loss consciousness for a few seconds. Somewhere when this is happening i turn ghost white.

I have had an echocardiogram and ultrasound but i dont know about an EKG. I did the lay down the stand up quick thing and did it fine.

Maybe i do hyperventilate after the squats i never though about that but would it be likely i would do it after some other exercises also?

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MiracleMan
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posted June 05, 2000 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiracleMan   Click Here to Email MiracleMan     Edit/Delete Message
Bro, your doing the right thing by seeking professional medical advice. Listen to your body and your health care provider. Good Luck

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wannaBbig
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posted June 06, 2000 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wannaBbig   Click Here to Email wannaBbig     Edit/Delete Message
HEY BRO I AM WITH NOVICEJUICER, I AM IN THE MED FIELD AND HE SOUNDS LIKE HE HAS HIS SHIT (FACTS)TOGETHER. ASK THE MD ABOUT THE HOLTER MON, GOOD IDEA. MAY BE POSTURAL HYPOTENSION AFTER THE STRAIN OF THE SQUATS, LIFTING HEAVY AND THEN COMING TO AN UPRIGHT POSITION MAY BE THE CAUSE, CHECK YOU BP AFTER THE SQUATS AND SEE WHAT IT IS MAY BE A PAIN IN THE ASS BUT CHECK IT SEATED, LYING AND STANDING AFTER THE SQUATS.

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