posted June 02, 2000 04:51 PM            

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STATS- 6"2" 248 31yom-thighs 231/2-calves 17"-waist 41"-chest 48"- arms 15"- forearms 13". this my first cycle ever, my goal is to put on some serious muscle, i am serious about this shit, so please no flames i don't like fire,LOL YOUR HELP AND INPUT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
wk. sus. eq. dbol clomid
1 500 6/d eodx8wks
2 500 5/d 1ed 2wks after
3 500 4/d
4 500 400 3/d
5 500 400 3/d
6 500 400
7 500 400
8 500 400
9 500 400
10 500 400
some of you guy's already looked at this and it's to much for the first time, some said they couldn't tell w/o stats so here it is please help i am ready to do what it takes. if this is not good or to much, please give me your suggestion's on the first time for the first timer. thanks guy's. sorry this is so long------- ok i changed the doses see what you thank about this.

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posted June 02, 2000 04:55 PM         

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I'd probably wait a little longer to start the Eq, maybe the 4th week, then use it till the 10th week. that should help solidify your gains.

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posted June 02, 2000 05:39 PM            

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thats alot of D-Bol for your first time...Alot of Sust too....I am more conservative when it comes to doses, but it's just the way I feel.

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posted June 02, 2000 10:09 PM            

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Maybe start d-bol with 6 tabs and then taper to 3 tabs. Start your eq around the fourth week and extend to two weeks post-cycle (shit another bro just posted that sorry). Other than that, sounds like a good cycle.

AY

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posted June 02, 2000 10:13 PM            

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looks good, could take the d-bol down a couple though, go get big

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posted June 02, 2000 10:26 PM            

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Just use test bro.

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posted June 03, 2000 12:44 AM            

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didn't I see this cycle in another thread??? Too much gear for a newbie..

big-guy

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posted June 03, 2000 12:58 AM            

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I don't feel you're using too much gear. The cycle looks good with the following tweaks.....cut back on the dbol to 6 tabs daily, and taper down to 3. Don't taper off the sust....it's self-tapering. Wait until week 4 to start the EQ, and kick the dose up to 400mg/week. Use clomid every other day throughout the cycle....good luck!!

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posted June 03, 2000 01:08 AM            

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I agree, I dont think its too much gear.

Dont taper the sus..as said above, and I dont think 40mgs a day of dbol would be too much.

I would however hold off on the EQ as said above..until later on in your cycle, or even until you start cutting if it is directly following your bulking phase..

Later,
WCP

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posted June 03, 2000 01:50 AM         

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I'm gonna be doing a similar stack in a few months. I posted it awhile back and got some good advice. This is what I plan on doing and it is gonna be my first cycle.

SUS/ EQ/Dbol

1 750/400/25 mg per day
2 500/400/25 pd
3 500/400/25 pd
4 500/400/25 pd
5 500/400
6 500/400
7 500/400
8 500/400
9 500/400
10 250/400
then i'm gonna run the eq for 2 weeks after the 10th week. Clomid eod during and ed post cycle. Can't wait.

l8r

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posted June 03, 2000 06:57 AM            

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Here's a simple concept wannaBbig. If you take 1000mg for your first cycle, then the next one you get on, you'll have to increase the dosage inorder for you to grow. Your system get use to extra testosterone really quick.

I am in my fourth cycle and my dosage is not half of yours. 400mg per week is what I am taking right now. Slow gain, but I don't have a yo-yo effect.

So start low and work your way up. Or else you'll hit a plateau really quick.

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posted June 03, 2000 11:41 AM            

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This is off the subject but did you say 15" arms and you weigh 248?

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posted June 04, 2000 09:22 AM            

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yes 248 and 15" arms, kinda puny huh! thats why i want to start as.

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posted June 04, 2000 10:57 AM            

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I would not go over 500mg for your first time. I just started my cycle and it is 500mg Sus250 for 8weeks with D-bol for the first 4weeks. I have not decided on what I am going to add after week4 I think EQ, Primo or Whinney. But I will run it out for 8weeks starting from week4. for a total of 12weeks.
This is my third cycle but I have not been on a cycle in 10 months. Just don't fuck up like I did, I tried to start about two months ago. I went down to TJ and did my first shot and then it was four weeks before I could get back down there. I decided to wait till I got all my shit to start with and took an extra month off to get that shot out of my system.

L8R

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posted June 04, 2000 11:02 AM            

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What's your BF like?

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posted June 04, 2000 11:54 AM            

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not sure about bf%-a little tire around the mid-section.

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posted June 04, 2000 12:11 PM            

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41"waist is an inner tube.

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posted June 04, 2000 12:21 PM            

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Not to make you feel bad but your stats tell me you are not too good of shape. Have you been working out at all? Go get a physical and check esp blood pressure/cholesterol etc and make sure all squared away. Be real healthy and fit before gear. Always think in terms of your health.

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posted June 04, 2000 12:30 PM            

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Im not trying to flame you or anything but, you already are big!! If you ask a moderator, they'll tell you you're definitely using too much. I agree that you should use less test and d-bol but it seems to me, w/ those small arms...you're fat...so you want to lose that first...my friend will be the first one to recommend dnp...he lost 65lbs on 3-1wk cycles of it but it does flatten your muscles, so I suggest using it after this cycle. you picked the right stuff to use on a cycle for mass, however if I were you...I'd use winny/deca/primo/EQ which will help you drop fat and gain 15lbs or so of muscle...the main thing is...u need to drop fat to look ripped and big...big just doesn't cut it anymore...but since you're going to do it anyway...at least try the cycle above for your next one...
for your sust/dbol/eq cycle try this
wk sust dbol Eq clo clen
1 250 5
2 500 6
3 750 6 - 1eod
4 750 5 150 1eod
5 750 4 300 1eod
6 500 3 400 1eod 5t/day
7 250 - 400 1eod off
8 - - 400 1eod 6t/day
9 - - 300 1eod off
10 - - 150 1eod 6t/day
11 - - - 1/day off
12 - - - 1t/day 5t/day

I only taper the stuff on...so your body gradually gets used to it and nothing bad happens because some people can have reactions to different drugs...I taper off because I like the pyramid cycle it works the best for ME...I do it for sust so my body is left w/ the same small % of each test of sust that it started w/
use nolvadex if needed ie)sensitivity in nipples the clen will hype you up...you'll burn a lot of fat for between cycles don't each as much by far as you did during cycle, each less everything especially fat, and take dnp, creatine, and the such ...don't take clen it is an AS and has some effects on muscle hardness...so your receptor sites will not be fully clean. dnp helps clean them....hope this helps

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posted June 04, 2000 04:15 PM         

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I read that you should at least be under 20% BF before you go on a cycle. Otherwise you might have blood pressure issues.

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posted June 04, 2000 09:51 PM         

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LPB, you shouldn't tell them to pyramid the sustanon, it's a waste. If yer planning to hit 750 mg's go 750 from the start allt he way through, there is no need to taper down and no need to start with a small amount. What he had up there was good, 500 mg's all the way through.

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posted June 04, 2000 09:52 PM         

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err, that's LBP

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