posted June 01, 2000 09:18 PM            

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posted June 01, 2000 11:00 PM            

Lets look at some facts.

1) Trenbolone acetate is not a pro hormone. That is the same as comparing d-bol to a pro-hormone.

2) Tren(no ester) has a longer half life than nandrolone(4 hours) which itself has a longer half life than any prohormone.

3) The ester on trenbolone makes even a longer half life.(6 hours)

4)Tenbolone is not easily metabolised out.

5)The ester might prevent some of the damage from first pass since all it takes is a methyl group and acetate has two.

6)Absorption of trenbolone acetate should not be any more complicated than d-bol. Steroids are steroids.

7)Binders are designed to break down slowly. They do not encapsulate trenbolone. Crush them and they lose their function.

Put all these together and you have at least 25% pass. More like 35%.

posted June 03, 2000 01:15 AM         

"1) Trenbolone acetate is not a pro hormone. That is the same as comparing d-bol to a pro-hormone."

Who is trying to relate tren with prohormones?

"2) Tren(no ester) has a longer half life than nandrolone(4 hours) which itself has a longer half life than any prohormone."

"3) The ester on trenbolone makes even a longer half life.(6 hours)"

Please give references for these figures, I am very interested in this information.

"4)Tenbolone is not easily metabolised out."

Why not?

"5)The ester might prevent some of the damage from first pass since all it takes is a methyl group and acetate has two."

17-ALPHA alkylation provides this protection (and also a 1 position alkylation in the case of Methenolone), not the 17-beta position esters. If this reasoning was true, then virtually all steroids would be orally active.

"6)Absorption of trenbolone acetate should not be any more complicated than d-bol. Steroids are steroids."

Very true.

"7)Binders are designed to break down slowly. They do not encapsulate trenbolone. Crush them and they lose their function."

True.

"Put all these together and you have at least 25% pass. More like 35%."

I am interested in how you produced this number. Even if it were true, that means that you are wasting 65-75% on first pass; what would be the point?

posted June 03, 2000 01:25 AM            

Considering the short half life, wouldnt you want the tren into your system as quickly as possible? Considering the half life of any drug starts to degrade as soon as its injected/swallowed/absorbed.....

So..in short..NO, dont take them orally, use dmso...or better yet buy a kit, converting fina to an injectable is not that hard, and you dont have to be a chemist to do so..

Oh BTW...a teaspoon will do just as well, and absorb faster, just make sure to get the fina powder fine, I mean powder fine.

posted June 03, 2000 09:46 AM            

aahepp, it is very hard for me to belive that trenbolone acetate is connected to the binders on a molecular level. I sugest you find a new source of information..It would not be the first time a salesman new nothing about the product.

cockdezl, now how did I know that you were going to break my post down your usual way! Yes I'm very well aware of the beta and alpha positions. Have you ever heard of hindrance? You know when the beta ester blocks the alpha position? Yes its blocking the alpha position alot more if the ester was not there. And in turn its acting now is if there is a methly group, not a real one but somewhat maybe 30% methyl presence(now how do I know I just opened myself up for another attack). I'm assuming that break down accurs via somekind of a 17 alpha reaction or maybe a shape that 17 alpha methly will block. Now on your other comments, a medline will bring up nandrolone as having a half life of 4 hours. As far as tren goes its an educated guess and its very know that nor-tests are not metabolized out as easily as other compounds. I tried to keep my figures to a min so as to please you. Chances are they are greater than that.

Ohh, and the point is that fina is cheap and available, so just swallow like 6 tabs a day(after crushing them) and forget about that DMSO mess and those fucked up kits that no one knows whats in them, can you even get them anymore, i'd think after ani*** got into his dea/methlab trouble he won't be producing any more.

posted June 04, 2000 12:18 PM            

And no finaplix-h has no estrogen and as far as i know they don't plan on adding any to it.

posted June 04, 2000 12:28 PM            

I love these kind of discussions!

I picture you guys at your terminals, veins popping, brains all enlarged with information, muscles all pumped up.

My question is----who do we believe? Could both sides have truths?

I will do an experiment on myself, taking the pellets orally(I have so many), and report back with my results. To me, it's worth a try. Milkman, Cockdezl, E2, Marauder, ahepp--you guys rock.

posted June 04, 2000 12:28 PM            

You know now that I think about it this is turning out exactly how I expected it to. So I will end this right now, there is nothing more to say. I'm done with both threads. For everyone else thats not afraid, try it for yourself. You have nothing to lose, only to gain.

posted June 04, 2000 12:52 PM            

1) It's Finiplix not Finiplex.
FINIPLIX [NOT FINIPLEX]
"Each implant consist of 10 small yellow pellets to give you 200 mg of trenbolone acetate per implant." This is from the manufacturer.

There is no fucking estogen in Finiplix-H
I just bought some of the carts pictured here.

Where is the estrogen on the label?

2) There is another, higher quality implant that ALSO contains no fucking estrogen.

COMPONENT T-H >>>[THE OPTIMUS PRIME OF FINA]
"Component� T-H is a slow-release anabolic agent containing trenbolone acetate which increases rate of weight gain and improves feed efficiency in growing finishing feedlot heifers. (4,000mg. of TBA)."

Where is the estrOgen on the label?

3) REVALOR [GO BUY A BRA AND SOME TAMPAX YOU'LL NEED THEM THIS IS THE ONE W/ESTROGEN]
"Dosage: one implant containing 40 mg trenbolone acetate and 8 mg estradiol is administered to each animal. Not to be used in animals intended for subsequent breeding, or in dairy animals."

AH HERE IS THE ESTROGEN ON THE LABEL. BUT WAIT THIS ISN'T FINIPLIX IS IT? NO

As far as the manaufacturer binding the chemicals at the molecular level, even I can see the flaw in that thinking.

Tren has a halflife of what 2 days? So whether you do it orally or dmso route it's the same. The injections, it's the same. I remember doing REAL Finaject 30mgs eod IM.

Just trying to help out some of the guys who are worried about getting estrogen in thier Fina. DO NOT BUY THE REVALOR.

DO NOT INJECT HALFASS UNKNOWN SHIT INTO YOUR BODY.

DO TRY THE DMSO 50% water 50% solution on a lean part of the body ie. biceps,delts and no to the tablespoon. Use
1/2 teaspoon to 1/2 teaspoon dmso/water.
LEAVE ON 20 MINUTES THEN WASH WITH SOAP AND WATER.[NO RED BUMPS]

BTW DMSO has been used by people for a shitload of ailments for years. That's why it's sold in the Health Food Store.

BTW THIS IS VERY FUCKING EFFECTIVE, IMMEDIATE STRENGTH GAINS AND FANTASTIC MUSCLE HARDNESS.
AND DONE WITH WINNY IN A CUTTING CYCLE, ONE WORD, INCREDIBLE.
DON'T EXPECT TO BLOW UP WITH ALOT OF TEST-LIKE WATER-MUSCLE BUT YOU'LL KEEP THE GAINS YOU DO GET.

I personally have no idea whether Fina would work orally,but I do know that I would NEVER inject some homemade shit into my body. I don't give a shit how good the salesman's rep is. Not ment to offend but if it's your wallet against my health guess what, you lose.

HOPE THIS HELPS.
RB