posted May 30, 2000 06:39 PM            

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THERE ARE SO MANY REPORTS THAT JUICE CAUSES CANCER. WELL I HAVE A LOVED ONE THAT DIED OF CANCER. AND EVEN THOU IT IS NOT JUICE RELATED , THE THOUGHT OF GETTING CANCER FROM JUICE TERRORIZES ME! DOES JUICE REALLY CAUSE CANCER? DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANY ONE THAT DIED OF CANCER AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?

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posted May 30, 2000 06:50 PM            

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A-50 is the only proven to cause liver cancer.

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posted May 30, 2000 06:58 PM            

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FOR EVERYBODIES INFO, MY MOTHER DIED OF CANCER THIS MORNING. CANCER IS A VERY MISERABLE DIESEASE THAT I WOULD NOT WISH ON MY WORST ENEMY. I PERSONALLY AM CHANGING MY MIND ON USING STEROIDS BECAUSE THIER ARE CLAIMS THAT STEROIDS CAN CAUSE CANCER.

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posted May 30, 2000 07:03 PM            

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Sorry to hear about your mom, bro. That must be really tough. I wish you the best.

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posted May 30, 2000 07:13 PM            

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posted May 30, 2000 07:15 PM            

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Hey brother, I hear your pain and my condolances on her passing, but sunlight causes cancer, polluted water causes cancer, pestesides in our food chain causes cancer, freon indirectly causes cancer by destroying the ozone layer, my point is everthing causes cancer, our meat supply in this country is loaded with 'roids lke finaplex and a whole host of animal roids, so if you want to reduce your risk you will have to give up a lot of things you enjoy. No one gets out of here alive, it's sad to lose a loved one, and harder still to continue on, but your mom would want to be happy and live your life to the fullest. I'm not saying you should continue, that's a personal choice we all have to make...Best wishes Bro, my deepest condolances at her passing, it won't be the last time for you to loose some one dear to you, thats a fact of life bro...

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posted May 30, 2000 07:17 PM         

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Sorry about your loss bro. As for AS causing cancer, anything in moderation is OK when educated on it.

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posted May 30, 2000 07:20 PM            

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Don't have the answer, but I'm terribly sorry for your loss. Hang in there bro!!!

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posted May 30, 2000 07:42 PM            

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posted May 30, 2000 07:48 PM            

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Very sorry to hear of your loss bro. My Mom has Cancer. I think if you are well educated and do things in moderation you will be ok. But I understand your concern.

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posted May 30, 2000 07:49 PM            

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Man that is awful! You know there is somebody around this board 24hrs if you need somebody to speak to.

The roid cancer question. Seem like you were the one taking 6cc's at a time. maybe you should consider slowing it down. i am sure you are aware of primrose oil and milk thistle.

My personal belief is juice can speed up the growth of cancer that you aready have, but does not create it, except in heavy doses of A-50 like the man said in the above post. I also think fresh open air causes cancer to spread at a rapid pace. I think oxygen in the blood does not, but when they cut into somebody that has cancer and they do not remove it all the are normally gone within six months.

Again sorry to here about you mother.

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posted May 30, 2000 07:53 PM            

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I agree with Checkmatebloated. I don't think it will cause Cancer just speed things up if you have it. So if it is in the family, be safe bro!!

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posted May 30, 2000 07:58 PM            

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Im very sorry about your mother. I wish you the best in all honesty. I can maybe shed some light on your thoughts about taking steroids though. As someone stated above, almost anything in our environment can cause cancer. But with this very trematic event that just occured in your life I can honestly say, maybe steroids are not your priority right now. Psychologically when you take them, you will constantly be reminded of cancer and your mom while you are on them. Even though cancer is a very unlikely risk with AS use, at this time, it might not be healthy for you mentally to take them, for the reason stated above, and the other psychological consequences that CAN possibly occur from AS use. So please take time right now and decide what is best for you and know that we are here to help you.

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posted May 30, 2000 08:04 PM            

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The Bear is so right. Didn't even think about how the juice affects your head. BUMP for JUICESEEKERS Mom!!

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posted May 30, 2000 08:05 PM            

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Sorry about you mother.

I think that roids used in moderation are pretty safe.

When I say moderation I mean like no orals and 500mg total a week for not longer than 8 weeks and then take 16 weeks off.

That is safe.

Take care,

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posted May 30, 2000 08:08 PM            

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hang in there bro, if feel for you. my mom means the world to me, i would die for that woman. sorry to hear of your loss...

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posted May 30, 2000 08:12 PM            

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Sorry for you're loss bro. Please be comforted to know she is not suffering anymore with cancer or feeling the pain of it. Its over. I lost a relative about 9 years ago now and I still remember when it first happened, man o man it wasn't easy.

As far as AS causing cancer I disagree because they give AS to cancer patients. They give AS to aids patients too.

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posted May 30, 2000 08:31 PM            

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Very sorry about your loss bro. As for your decision, it's yours and only yours to make.

Good luck w/whatever you decide.

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posted May 30, 2000 09:43 PM            

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a 50 might cause cancer on the liver, but the patients who got liver cancer were taking like 3 or 4 a50 pills a day for like 4 months (they were AIDS patients). Most of us take them (if we take A50) at 1 pill a day, for 4 weeks max...that's 2-3 pills less a day for 3 months less....so the risks for us are quite low

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posted May 30, 2000 10:23 PM            

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Sorry to hear about your mom bro. If you need someone to talk to, go ahead and email me, or any of the bros, I'm sure they'd love to help.
About the cancer issue, Rich1 made an exellent point, cancer can be caused by almost anything. Be careful and don't abuse anything you do.
My regards

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posted May 30, 2000 10:37 PM            

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posted May 30, 2000 11:39 PM            

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I'm very sorry to hear about your mother.

Please accept my condolances.

If you choose to stop using as out of fear of cancer, then you should stop using cell phones, stay away from your tv, your computer, high voltage wires, dont' walk outside move to the wilderness and live in a shack. It's sad to say but almost everything around us, in this day and age, has the ability to trigger cancer in people. The way i see it, is i'll live my life for today, because i have no idea what will come tomorrow.

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posted May 30, 2000 11:54 PM            

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What a great group of people we have here, this is what makes this board the best there is!! You guys are the nicest bunch of people, with so many preconcived notions about weight lifters being animals all jacked up on juice, we all prove that wrong, we are humans with inner strength and a spiritual side as well. So here's to the brotherhood, may it, through all of us live forever.My Salute to you all! All men are brothers and we here, span the world!!!

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posted May 31, 2000 01:45 AM         

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Sorry to hear about your loss. Plan for tomorrow but live for today. I have a book a good friend of mine who had Luekemia gave me, ..in it he wrote : If there is something you really want to do, do it today. you don't know what tomorrow will bring.

Tell someone you love that you love them

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posted May 31, 2000 01:54 AM            

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Damn bro, Im really sorry to hear about your mother...... and if quiting AS is your decision then so be it, I wish you the best bro.......

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posted May 31, 2000 02:10 AM            

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great words E2. why live in the future when there is so much happining now, but you can prevent stuff in the future. use your heads.

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posted May 31, 2000 09:14 AM         

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Cancer is in all of us. It is just a matter of time when it will manifest itself. Some people never get cancer even after smoking for years. Not too many, but some. What I am trying to say is that I believe you will get it regardles what you take if you are ment to get it. I'm not going to live my life of fear to accomplish anything just because of a disease we have no way of controlling. Both sets of my grandparents dies from cancer, yet my father and cousin used steroids for years and have out lived all the smokers in my family. My friend Duane who lost his mom six years ago has also used a lot of roids, yet is healthier than anyone who has made it to his age in his family. My friends dad died last year from cancer, and he worked out, never smoked....., so until I see all the yesteryear bodybuilders dying like an epidemic, I will not let speculation deter me from reaching my goals. I am very sorry about your mother. It's a sad part of life we will ALL HAVE TO FACE at some point. We live and we die.....faith is what keeps me focused. Again, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. Maybe some day we will have a cure.

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posted May 31, 2000 09:21 AM            

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sorry about your loss......my mother died in my arms 5 1/2 years ago... and my dad 2 years later.....cancer is a miserable disease....i was with both of them when they died.....and it is tough......as for AS causing cancer......I cannot say.....my father and mother enjoyed life to the fullest and died of liver and lung cancer and neither of them ever smoked or drank....not sure where I am going with this ....but I have been there and know the pain...or at least how it was for me....take care and if you need to talk let me know......

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posted May 31, 2000 09:36 AM         

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Bill Roberts made a statement awhile back (can't remember if it was on Meso or misc.fitness.weights) saying that it was an estrogenic metabolite of certain steroids that was linked to hepatotoxicity. Possibly the use of aromatase inhibitors or Nolvadex would help prevent this. Another problem is prostate cancer in men. Steroids would certainly speed up this process, but not cause it. I have never seen any studies showing mutagenicity or carcinogenicity of steroids.

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posted May 31, 2000 02:40 PM            

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posted May 31, 2000 02:55 PM            

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Sorry to hear about your loss...
To all of those worried about Cancer being caused by steroidss...
well when i was 11 years old (now 20) I found out I had cancer, I had a tumor so large in my chest it was pressing up against my lung causing a sharp pain and a hard time breathing. The medicine they give you bloats you, makes your hair fall out, weakens you. I feel that my body from 6 months of chemotherapy is still not the same, some 9 years later. I still find myself to be weaker compared to most people. I've made the decision to try steroids, and I'm not really worried about it. I was the healthiest kid then out of the blue it happens, just goes to show you never can tell what's around the next corner..

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posted May 31, 2000 02:57 PM            

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Sorry about your mother. Just about anything today can cause cancer from coffee to your cell phone. I just say to hell with it and what ever happens happens.

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posted May 31, 2000 08:53 PM            

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posted May 31, 2000 09:38 PM            

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MY UNCLE DIED OF CANCER, IT WAS HARD AT FIRST BUT I LEARNED TO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON.

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posted June 01, 2000 12:53 AM            

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does it cause cancer? that's still up in the air. some of the "experts" say it will and others say it won't. but most of them agree it will speed along the growth or regenerate growth of certain types. there should be a ton of info on this subject. i hope you can find what you a looking for.

i'm sorry for your loss.

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posted June 01, 2000 01:55 AM            

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Alot of things can cause cancer. My sister had skin cancer, just cause she's outside alot. Im not going to change my mind about AS because it has a very, very , very little chance of causing cancer. If that was the case, I would stay indoors all summer too.

NO FLAME INTENDED THOUGH: My grandfather had laryngeal cancer, and now he has no voice box. My sister was treated for skin cancer, she was fine though because they caught it early.My great grandmother died of cancer. I fucking hate this disease.

I really feel for you and your mother. I lost a mother in October (not biological), but it hurt still the same. Good Luck with the next couple of months of your life. They're gonna be rough.

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posted June 01, 2000 02:21 AM            

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Sorry to hear about your mother man. Just know she isn't suffering anymore.

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posted June 01, 2000 02:45 AM            

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Yo Juiceseeker,
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family because of your loss. God has a plan for all of us bro......."B"

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posted June 01, 2000 03:30 AM            

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Sorry about your mother bro,
i think too much of almost anything causes cancer. And i thought AS doesnt't cause it, it's just that cancer feeds off the testosterone and growth hormone making the problem worse.
Well best of luck with you couping with this calamity. All of us know how much our mother's mean to us.

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posted June 01, 2000 04:53 AM            

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Sorry to here the sad news.

My grandmother died of cancer at 59 it was a
terrible thing to go thru so I feel your pain
If I was you I'd take some time to think
about whether or not you really want to continue with AS.But if you do continue
you should stay away from any orals &
stick to the injectibles,keep it in moderation.Cancer can be inherint so keep
that in mind.Thats why I omly use in moderation cause 3 people in my family have
died of cancer already & im scared to death
that my mother will be the next one cause
she wont quit smoking.But like alot of the
others say,there are more things in our enviroment today that cause cancer than
there has ever been.

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posted June 01, 2000 10:13 AM            

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just wanted to say sorry and give my condolences, and stay away from high doses and orals to stay on the safe side

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posted June 01, 2000 01:25 PM            

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sorry for your mother.

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posted June 01, 2000 01:45 PM         

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sorry about your mom.

I've heard doctors say (and it sounds logical to me) that AS doesn't cause cancer, but it does cause things to grow faster. Cancerous cells have nuclei, are composed of amino acids, etc., just like non-cancerous cells. If you cause cells (in general) to grow faster, the "growth characteristics" do not confine themselves to healthy cells, in other words, the "benefit" from AS does not differentiate between good and bad cells - it helps them all to grow. That's what I've heard anyway.

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posted June 01, 2000 04:04 PM            

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hey bro...im really sorry to hear of your moms passing....i have also lost a parent ..and it sucks ..especially if you had to watch them suffer ....but you will carry on and you will lead a great life ..and as e2 said live your life for today-------Carpe Diem---------....everything all the bros have been saying is true everything causes cancer ...or speeds up the process.......i forgot who said it but i read in a mag once a guy said if steroids are so bad for you ..than how come people stay on them for 10-15 years at a time ..and there is nothing wrong with them...you show mw another drug that will not kill you ..after 15 years of taking it ....you never will..i hope this helps a bit to answer your ?....and once i again im very sorry for your lose

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posted June 01, 2000 04:12 PM         

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I'm sorry to hear about your mother, my deepest condolances.

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posted June 01, 2000 04:21 PM            

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my wife and i will keep you in our prayers at st. marks Sunday

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posted June 01, 2000 09:44 PM            

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Prostate cancer is the number one biggest concern.. I think in moderation the concern is much much less. 85% of proffessional football players have had prior use of steroids and 80% are not suffering from cancer. Everything is a gamble not just the juice...

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posted June 01, 2000 10:13 PM            

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SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR MOM BRO.... GOOD LUCK, I WISH YOU THE BEST.....

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posted June 01, 2000 11:19 PM            

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of all the things in the world, loosing a loved one is the worst. I am very sorry for your loss. I will keep you in my prayers. hang in there!

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posted June 01, 2000 11:25 PM            

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very sorry to hear about your mom, all the condolances to you and your family, e2 hit it on the head, one day walking through NY city is equal to 300 x rays, the problem with gear is if you have cancer and dont know it, hormones will make it grow faster and spread as we all know, if you are using gear you should have your liver enzymes checked every 3 months, and maybe CEA test if your concerned...all the best....HK

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posted June 02, 2000 03:06 PM            

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I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY'S RESPONSES AND CONDOLENCES. SHE WAS A GREAT WOMAN AND AT ONLY 49, SHE LEFT THIS EARTH WAY TO SOON. I AM TRYING TO STAY STRONG AND KEEP MY HEAD UP. I SEE THAT THERE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD AND IT IS PROBABLY THE BEST BOARD ON THE NET. AGAIN THANKS FOR EVERYBODIES RESPONSES!

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posted June 02, 2000 04:13 PM            

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I'm so sorry to hear about your loss....my thoughts and wishes go out to your and your family.

Last August I lost my uncle to liver failure at the age of 44. I went through many of the personal debates that you're now going through. I lived my life in fear for many months, but i've found happiness in living again.....living for here and now. I lost my grandfather to lung cancer, and he never smoked a day in his life.....so you have the risk of cancer no matter what you decide. If you ever need someone to talk to about all of this....I'm just an email away.

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posted June 02, 2000 04:22 PM            

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My Condolences Bro.

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posted June 03, 2000 03:23 AM            

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Sorry about your mom. Cancer is a disease that can hit any one of us at any time. So much of our modern civilization relies on chemicals to improve our lives, but they may be killing us. Who knows. I hope your family is well.

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posted June 03, 2000 04:15 PM            

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Bro sorry to hear about your mom. My mom had breast cancer two years ago, she went through all the chemo and had to have a mastectimy(sp?). I hear you worry about AS but E2 said it best everything has the possibility of causing cancer. I myself am still reserching my cycle and am still not sure if I will do it i'm still about 2.5 months out if I do decide to do it.

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