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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 30, 2000 05:09 PM
  
may in the future. look bros heres the deal. i'm going to do a ref-b cycle my first cycle. its going to last6 weeks. stsrt out at 1 ml for a week then go to 2 ml for 3 weeks then down to 1 and half for week 5 then on week 6 1 ml for a few days then 1 half for a couple then down to nothing. i have plenty of CLOMID and stocked up on protein. my question is i'm thinking about adding stanazolic to the 6th week of the cycle and do 50 mgs everyday for 20 days. now do i have to taper the winny or just do it till its gone . this should help keep a fair amount of gains, i would think anyway. or should i just do the ref-b and thats it . so can some of you vets help me out on this cuz i'm going to put my order in for the winny tomorrow if you bros think it would be worth it. by the way i'm 5'9 170 lbs pretty lean also i'm 40 yrs old. now iv'ebeen readin on here for some time now and i know at my age the orals can be a problem thats why i'm asking if the winny is to much OR if its not enough to do any good at only 20 days worth of it. PLEASE DONT TELL ME TO AD TEST OR DECA <CUZ I ALREADY KNOW I SHOULD I"M JUST NOT READY > PLEASE RESPECT THAT> if you have some good advice on this cycle please give it to me . if you have to flame go ahead and flame. thank you all who reply and the ones that dont thank you also. i know who all the LEGIT VETS ARE ON HERE so i'm waiting to here from you. sorry for the LONG POST the HITMAN ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rich1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 512) |
posted May 30, 2000 05:19 PM
Sooner or later your going to cross over, My first cycle was sus250 at 500 mg a week. Orals are not my cup of tea, too harsh on the bod, just TAKE the plunge and jab, I know it's not what you wanted to hear, but hey if it's any help, I'm 44 so get over it Bro, you will wonder why you waited sooo long after you do it...Piece of cake... Best bang for the buck and your health...less damage to your liver too, at our age this stuff matters...lol. [This message has been edited by Rich1 (edited May 30, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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D007 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 118) |
posted May 30, 2000 05:27 PM
Its a shame that you are going to ruin your best receptors on the first cycle with no test but its your call bro. I would use the winny throughout. good luck IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 30, 2000 05:30 PM
thanks rich, i think i read where you a member of the NRA, thats cool cuz i;m a life member, live in ohio, still looking for some advice on the cycle tho i'm going to BUMP THIS UP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 30, 2000 05:39 PM
Doo7 yah i know your right bro . i can only afford i bottle of the winny $189.00 50mg/ 20ml plus have to pick up a little more clomid just incase. thats why i thought i wuold add it at the last week of the ref-b ,also you dont retain hardly any water on it right. sounds like a good cycle if it wasnt all orals. well got to go eat i'll check back in a while ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 30, 2000 05:42 PM
i almost forgot . i should be able to put on some good wait right? and the winny and the clomid should help solidify them right? OK now i'm going to eat! later hitman ------------------ IP: Logged |
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D007 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 118) |
posted May 30, 2000 06:34 PM
You should gain at least 20lbs maybe more and keep around 12-18 solid pounds provided you eat enough calories and not a lot of shit food. I think the best way to take winny orally is 100mg\eod. Also, with all oral cycles, I try to avoid things like alcohol, and even tylenol, shit any pills, because your liver is going to have all the stress it needs, good luck. IP: Logged |
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Monster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 30, 2000 06:47 PM
No flame to anyone, but Im betting you dont gain much and keep even less. Orals are a sorry excuse for steroids and not worth the effort and expense (unless theyre added in with a test product). The ref, ect. is great for strength gains, and at that point you have an injectable to up your nitrogen retention and protien synthesis to repair the muscle fibers that the ref induced strength gains have torn. Orals are inefficient at doing that at best. Your receptors are never the same after your first cycle, and you never make as good of gains. Youll be ruining what could be a very solid foundation of drug aided muscle with a half hearted cycle. Get over the fear and stygmatism surrounding injection and do it right, youll be VERY glad you did! My first cycle was 750mg of sust for 12 weeks with ref at 75mg a day eventually tapering off. I gained 36lbs of muscle and lost 4% bodyfat (so I actually gained more muscle than that). I was eating 4500-5000 calories a day and lifting balls out heavy (which is the ONLY way to lift). Clomid at the end and intelligent dietary control helped me keep almost all of the muscle (of course minus the water gains of the ref). Do it right or dont do it. Why stress your liver and dirty your receptors for little or nothing... IP: Logged |
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dahmer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 175) |
posted May 30, 2000 06:47 PM
Speaking about D-bol(refb) and winny. Could someone post a cycle for D-bol tabs and winny?? 8 week with clomid through out. How much and how often? IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:11 AM
bump please IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 589) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:29 AM
Yes, add the winny, but in week 4 instead of week 6. No need to taper it (no need to use a diamond pattern on the ref-b either, but it won't hurt). Clomid eod during cycle, of course. IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:33 AM
thanks alot truth.those are the kind of replies im looking for ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 07:41 AM
are you saying sart off with 2ml right off the bat for a few weeks then taper ref and add the winny on week 4? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BehindYA Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 44) |
posted May 31, 2000 07:51 AM
i v hear d so much abou this drug ref-b what is it ? and how good is it ? what to expect from it ? please give me some info IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 165) |
posted May 31, 2000 09:41 AM
Why not take 100 mgr Winnie EOD ? Jeff IP: Logged |
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supraman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted May 31, 2000 10:03 AM
You should get good gains off of this contrary to what some might say. I have done a similar cycle and got great results(Naposim/Winny). Drank the Winny ed for 30 days and took 5-10 dbols/day for about the same and clomid throughout! I lot of people will say that is a stupid cycle...I say fuck off I'm not a bodybuilder and I'm happy with the results! Its all about what YOU want. And some people don't understand that If you don't have 2grams of Test or 4000 grams of Deca, you don't have it..plain and simple. It doesn't hurt to experiment with different cycles big and small, popular and unpopular! It is worth noting that you WILL inject sooner or later...you'll be surprised at what these great drugs will do to your way of thinking! IP: Logged |
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Natural Wonder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 411) |
posted May 31, 2000 12:51 PM
Stupid cycle! IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:03 PM
thanks supraman, your right i'm not a bb. all i want to do is put on some decant muscle and weight.i got up to 178lbs natural,but body fat kind of high prob around 14% or so . i've been dieting down for the last month or so .now i'm down to a lean 165 i'd like to get up to about 175 with muscle when i'm done with this cycle. from what ive read i should be able to add about 15 lbs and keep around 8 to 10 lbs thats why i want to add the winny. i'll start it saturday i'll keep evryone posted on my progress. i got to go buy a shit load of milk thistle now . later ron ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:08 PM
so what do you think of jeff rys suggestion of taking 100 mgs EOD instead of the 50mgs everyday that i was going to. is there any reasoning behind the 100mgs EOD ? i know if i was shooting it thats what i would do ,but i'm going to drink it . also is it ok to drink the ref-b and the winny at the same time or should i split the 2 up at differant times of the day. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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supraman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:30 PM
Funny "Natural Puss" Why dont you go somewherelse and be a punk ass KID! Ooooh you're a Roid veteran aren't you. As I can recall a couple of weeks ago you were like "Yippee I just took my first shot, I'm not natural anymore" Bragging to everyone like you have actuall done a good deed or we owe you a fuckin congratulations, you stupid fuck dont fuck with me! IP: Logged |
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supraman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted May 31, 2000 01:36 PM
Hitman, If you are stuck on drinking.... 50mg/day is the only way to go! [This message has been edited by supraman (edited May 31, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:03 PM
supra , do you think i should pyramid the d-bol or go for 2 ml right off the bat for like 3 weeks then week 4 - 1 andhalf ml then week 5 down to 1 ml week 6 half down to quarter, also at week 4 or 5 add 50 mgs winny everyday for 3 weeks,with clomid EOD and 100 mgs day at end of week then 50 mgs aday after that or 50 mgs for 2 weeks. thanks bro appeceate all your help ps. IT SEEMS HE PUT YOUR ASS BACK IN YOUR SHELL MR NATURAL!!!!!!!!! thanks again SUPRA and TRUTH for giving me HONEST REPLIES. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:26 PM
sorry to bump this again i just would like some more input on this. so i'm going to BUMP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:27 PM
sorry to bump this again i just would like some more input on this. so i'm going to BUMP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:28 PM
sorry to bump this again i just would like some more input on this. so i'm going to BUMP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:28 PM
sorry to bump this again i just would like some more input on this. so i'm going to BUMP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:29 PM
sorry to bump this again i just would like some more input on this. so i'm going to BUMP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:31 PM
sorry to bump this again i just would like some more input on this. so i'm going to BUMP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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hitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:31 PM
sorry to bump this again i just would like some more input on this. so i'm going to BUMP PLEASE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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supraman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 115) |
posted May 31, 2000 03:48 PM
Your first layout of the pyramid looks good, just throw that winny in close to the end. Assuming you will be training hard and eating like a mad man you will get good results from this cycle! Good luck IP: Logged |
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