posted May 30, 2000 07:15 AM            

your heart is a muscle

so it will grow
if you have a heart failure this whould be worse if use ing AS

this is only my oppinion

posted May 30, 2000 10:57 AM            

First you can't tell the difference between mass and volume, mg and ml, and you can't realize that there is no universal direct correlation between the two. Now you come up with this crap. It's blatently obvious you're an idiot.

posted May 30, 2000 01:45 PM         

"Just my opinion but I think that GH would have a greater effect on the heart. Because anabolic steroids are both catabolic and anabolic, the muscles that are being worked a lot are the ones that grow."

"yes thats right. If AS werent catabolic as well as anabolic, you would grow the same way if you didn't workout at all. yes, they are much more anabolic than catabolic though."

Your logic that if steroids were not somewhat catabolic, then one would grow off of them without working out is wrong. For one thing you do grow while on steroids without working out. Several studies have shown muscle gains without the exercise stimulus, it is just not as great as when exercise is combined.

"I didn't say AS are catabolic, I said that they are not only 100% anabolic like most people think they are.

Here's were you begin side-stepping your statements.

"They become extremely over-anabolic when combined with intensive muscular movement."

"Over-anabolic"? Please define.

"If AS are only anabolic then why doesn't your brain and your dick and your fingers and your toungue and every other muscle in your fucking body grow 2 inches. I have done research and AS are catabolic as well as very anabolic."

posted May 30, 2000 02:16 PM            

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posted May 30, 2000 03:25 PM            

Second- you have to distinguish between thickening of the heart and enlargement of the heart. They are not the same thing. Thickening is brought about by working the heart such as seen in elite rowers (due to high intensity cardio exercise), and is also seen in some strength athletes who abuse AAS. This is not a dangerous condition as such, but is sometimes a precursor of dilated cardiomyopathy (heart failure). The condition usually goes away when the person stops the exercising/AAS. Left ventricular cardiomyopathy is exactly the opposite. It's when the left ventricle expands without a corresponding thickening of the muscle. Same amount of muscle over a larger area means the heart is much weaker and can't pump efficiently. This is the other sort of enlargement that comes from CHRONIC AAS abuse, and it's what kills people. Heart thickening can lead to heart failure if you don't back off.
The heart muscle has no androgen receptors on it, so does not grow in response to AAS.
And finally, GH can cause an enlargement of the whole heart (not just the left ventricle), and just about every other internal organ, but ot takes a lot of the stuff over a very long time.

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[This message has been edited by MS (edited May 30, 2000).]