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D007
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posted May 28, 2000 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D007   Click Here to Email D007     Edit/Delete Message
Does anybody know of a good article that discusses the ability of test and other anabolics in fat burning or redistribution. A mods opinion on this would be nice. Right now on 10 week cycle of ref-b, primotest, T200, and ultragan. really want to get body fat below 10% but also add muscle. weighing 215 and eating 3000 calories a day. Opinions?

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D007
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posted May 28, 2000 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D007   Click Here to Email D007     Edit/Delete Message
nobody?

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matty
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posted May 28, 2000 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74082278
maybe im wrong but if your trying to do a cutting cycle to me , and frankly i think you choose the wrong drugs! except the eq, if you just took eq/winny you could deff gain a good permanent 10lbs easy! + lower your BF on a low cal diet with lots of cardio, thats what im doing now and i think its the right approach to what you want! unless i misunderstand...

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natedawg
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posted May 29, 2000 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for natedawg   Click Here to Email natedawg     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah
Try this one, it compares GH to Test. http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/ullis/index.htm

By the way, if you guys haven't read the stuff a Mesomorphosis.com, you should. There's a lot of good info.

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MiniMic
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posted May 29, 2000 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiniMic   Click Here to Email MiniMic     Edit/Delete Message
Just wondering but isn't primotest and t200 both enanthate?

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MS
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posted May 29, 2000 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
Here's a classic favorite of mine. It's in old guys admittedly, but food for thought none-the-less.

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Oral anabolic steroid treatment, but not parenteral androgen treatment, decreases abdominal fat in obese, older men.

ABSTRACT:
OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of testosterone enanthate (TE), anabolic steroid (AS) or placebo (PL) on regional fat distribution and health risk factors in obese middle-aged men undergoing weight loss by dietary means. DESIGN:
Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial, carried out for 9 months with primary assessments at 3 month intervals. Due to adverse blood lipid changes, the AS group was switched from oral oxandrolone (ASOX) to parenteral nandrolone decaoate (ASND) after the 3 month assessment point. SUBJECTS: Thirty healthy, obese men, aged 40-60 years, with serum testosterone (T) levels in the low-normal range (2-5 ng/mL). MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Abdominal fat distribution and thigh muscle volume by CT scan, body composition by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA), insulin sensitivity by the Minimal Model method, blood lipids, blood chemistry, blood pressure, thyroid hormones and urological parameters. RESULTS: After 3 months, there was a significantly greater decrease in subcutaneous (SQ) abdominal fat in the ASOX group compared to the TE and PL groups although body weight changes did not differ by treatment group. There was also a tendency for the ASOX group to exhibit greater losses in visceral fat, and the absolute level of visceral fat in this group was significantly lower at 3 months than in the TE and PL groups. There were significant main effects of treatment at 3 months on serum T and free T (increased in the TE group and decreased in the ASOX group) and on thyroid hormone parameters (T4 and T3 resin uptake significantly decreased in the ASOX group compared with the other two groups). There was a significant decrease in HDL-C, and increase in LDL-C in the ASOX group, which led to their being switched to the parenteral nandrolone decanoate (ASND) after 3 months. ASND had opposite effects on visceral fat from ASOX, producing a significant increase from 3 to 9 months while continuing to decrease SQ abdominal fat. ASND treatment also decreased thigh muscle area, while ASOX treatment increased high muscle. ASND reversed the effects of ASOX on lipoproteins and thyroid hormones. The previously reported effect of T to decrease visceral fat was not observed, in fact, visceral fat in the TE group increased slightly from 3 to 9 months, although SQ fat continued to decrease. Neither TE nor AS treatment resulted in any change in urologic parameters. CONCLUSIONS: Oral oxandrolone decreased SQ abdominal fat more than TE or weight loss alone and also tended to produce favorable changes in visceral fat. TE and ASND injections given every 2 weeks had similar effects to weight loss alone on regional body fat. Most of the beneficial effects observed on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors were due to weight loss per se. These results suggest that SQ and visceral abdominal fat can be independently modulated by androgens and that at least some anabolic steroids are capable of influencing abdominal fat.

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D007
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posted May 29, 2000 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for D007   Click Here to Email D007     Edit/Delete Message
thanks guys decent info

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