posted May 28, 2000 12:46 PM            

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I am prone to male pattern baldness (kind of thin on top) and am stacking sust/primo. I havent noticed any hairloss yet. I am only on my 5th week though.

Should the hairloss come later?

If I have not noticed it with 500sus/400primo, would I see more evidence of hairloss if I add winny on the last 4-5 weeks of my cycle?

How does winny/primo compare in hairloss sideeffects?

Thanks

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posted May 28, 2000 01:43 PM            

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posted May 28, 2000 02:12 PM            

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Whenever you're taking sust/primo ALL your
hair falls out on the sixth week. hehehe j/k
Everyones different bro. Winny is 17aa so
it could be hard on the hairloss, but it shouldn't be any worse than test(sust)

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posted May 28, 2000 05:23 PM            

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I don't know of any reason that 17aa roids should be harder on hair merely by virtue of their being 17aa. I think the only important variable is the degree to which the androgen binds to the receptors in the scalp, DHT being among the most strongly binding.

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posted May 28, 2000 05:46 PM            

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Winny does not turn to DHT. It has no
testosterone in it.

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posted May 28, 2000 05:57 PM            

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No one is suggesting that DHT is a metabolite of winny. I mentioned DHT simply as an example of a steroid that binds strongly to the receptors in the scalp.

I'm still wondering where the idea came from that 17aa steroids are harder on hair because they are 17aa. It's the first I've heard of it and I can't think of any reason it should be true.

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posted May 28, 2000 08:33 PM            

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Actually you are right although a 17
alpha alkylated compound has a high
degree of hepatoxicity and aromatization
which could cause hairloss due to the high
incidence of estrogen and subsequent test
increase. Winny does not convert to DHT,
but it is a derivative of DHT.

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posted May 28, 2000 08:43 PM            

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Winny does not aromatize, and while some do theorize a role for estrogen in pattern baldness it is not considered a major cause it.

Pattern baldness comes primarily from androgens binding to hair follicles. These can be 17aa steroids (e.g., winny) or non-17aa steroids (e.g., DHT). The immune system then attacks the hair follicles, causing the follicle to shrink and eventually die.

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posted May 28, 2000 08:46 PM            

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Winny does not aromatize, but 17aa steroids
do. Although winny can be taken orally,
maybe it is not 17aa.
BTW HOMINID. It's good to have you on the board bro.

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posted May 28, 2000 08:46 PM            

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damnit just as im about to do my sustanon I now am not sure as I definately dont want to loose my hair at 21! Shit, maybe i need to switch to deca or winny.

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posted May 28, 2000 09:08 PM            

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TheBear, you shouldn't worry too much unless male pattern baldness (MPB) runs in your family. And by the way there is no assurance that winny will not cause hair loss. Even deca can cause hair loss, though it is less likely to do so than any other steroid.

My own strategy is 3-pronged:
1. I take oral finasteride (proscar, propecia) to reduce DHT levels
2. topical spironolactone to block the receptors in the scalp from all other androgens, and
3. topical minoxidil to encourage hair growth.

My hair still looks great and I'm pushing 40...

THESAINT, thanks good to be here.

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posted May 28, 2000 09:13 PM            

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The 17aa does not have a thing to do with hairloss. It only prevents the breakdown of the steroid in the digestive tract. Most highly androgenic steroids produce increased levels of DHT. Winny is a 17aa steroid but does not convert to DHT. You can reduce or prevent hairloss by using finasteride and/or a topical solution such as Nizoral shampoo. There is a pretty good post on hairloss somewhere in the current board files and in the archives there is a post with some excellent links. Do a search for it and it will answer many of your questions.

Later,
giantset

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posted May 28, 2000 10:34 PM            

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Winny is 17aa but does not aromatize. D-bol is 17aa and does aromatize. Therefore I suspect there is no link btwn 17aa and aromatization.

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posted May 28, 2000 11:28 PM            

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Thanks guys. I appreciate your help. One more question though. When you do notice your hair start falling out. Do you see it in the shower, on your clothes, or when?

I am aslo taking topical spirolocatone (spelling might be wrong).

Thanks

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posted May 28, 2000 11:37 PM            

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i dont' worry about my hair falling out...as soon as i my hair is going to start falling off, i'm going to get that hair transplant from Dr. Bose...that's still a few years away

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posted May 29, 2000 12:00 AM            

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Ahh Jay Z, I hope I had the same problem. My shit is already thin up top. I want to use winny but am skepticle.

Thanks again guys for your input.

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posted May 29, 2000 09:16 AM            

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posted May 29, 2000 02:03 PM            

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The spironolactone will help protect your scalp from the winny if you use enough and remember to use it every day. Also use Nizoral shampoo and you shouldn't have a problem.

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