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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 24, 2000 12:13 AM
  
I'm 17, 5'9" @ 215 lbs. I would like to start my first cycle shortly and was wondering if you guys who know what your doing could help me out. I don't see any assholes around this board so I hope I don't get some prick telling me I'm too young. I know I'm young, but I've been lifting for years and want to compete. We all know, in order for me to go pro I gotta juice. I can get anything from Mexico. I was thinking of going with Primo because I'm on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Holla at me! IP: Logged |
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AY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted May 24, 2000 05:03 AM
Sounds like you made your decision. But you really don't need to juice as your normal test levels should be high now anyway. From your stats, you have quite a bit of mass and probably can achieve your goals without AS. I'm not going to flame you for being too young, I just want to say that it sounds like you already have great potential and with a bit of patience, you can achieve the greatness you want. Since you mentioned you're on a 1500 calorie diet I suppose you want to cut. If that's the case, then primo is good for your cycle. You can throw in some winny too. AY IP: Logged |
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DreamingBig Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104) |
posted May 24, 2000 05:16 AM
Damn, 1500 cals.? That's it? Well, I would not get the Primo from Mexico because it is only 50mg and the same price as the 100mg primo you get through "mail order". BTW what do you mean by "compete"? Do you mean powerlifting, olympic lifting, football, etc.? Also, what would you like to achieve from this cycle? Answering these questions will allow us to better answer your question. DreamingBig IP: Logged |
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scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 193) |
posted May 24, 2000 05:34 AM
YOUR TOO FUCKING YOUNG!!!!!!!!!! If you think you need AS to make gains now while your test levels are thru the roof naturally cause your so young Do some fucking research!!!! [This message has been edited by scott825 (edited May 24, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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gearseeker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 88) |
posted May 24, 2000 11:17 AM
Hey bro, Regardless of what other say - you are not too young. If you have been lifting for 2-3 years and want to compete, your probably ready for juice. At 5'9", 215 Id say you might have good genetics for it - unless the weight is fat. Deca at 400mg per week, Test (sust, primotest, whatever) 1000mg 1st week - use your best judgement after that. If your freaking out in traffic, maybe 500mg per week will do for the first cycle. If you can handle the effects stay at 1000mg. You can try an oral for the first six weeks (dbol or A50). At week number eight, test at 500mg. Week nine test at 250mg then discontinue. continue deca until week 11, then 200mg week 12. Weeks 9-12, 100mg primobolan and 50mg winstrol V eod. Clomid eod throughout cycle. 5000iu HCG week 12. Clomid ed at 100mg for one week then 50mg per day for one week. Keep some nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. Plan on gaining a good 40lbs and keeping a good part of it. At your weight, if your genetics are good you could compete super-heavy within two years of juice. Good luck bro. IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 817) |
posted May 24, 2000 11:57 AM
first off...don't lsiten to gearseeker..anyone that would suggest a-50 as an orla for a first cycle is just a moron (everyone hear nows me I don't usually flame other psots, but that is just th stupidest advice I have ever heard)....I can't tell you not to juice cause I started at 17 also for college ball, but I will say if you only want to be a bodybuilder or powerlifter I would hold off for awhile yet because bodybuilder usually don't go pro till mid 20s anyways...fill out your amateur card,t hen use roid befor eyou turn pro...with taht said, if you need advice..drop me an e-maila nd we can talk...but I would recommend a test only cycle, maybe test/d-bol for the first oen, with clomid... big-guy IP: Logged |
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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 24, 2000 06:12 PM
I would like to extend my appreciation to all of you (even Scott). Although Scott, I have gotten a billion guys like you calling me an idiot and assuming I think I know it all. Well, if I knew it all then I wouldn't be hear asking you fine gentlemen what I should do. I have however, researched a great deal, on the different steroids. Thanks for the suggestion gear but I would like to stay away from Anadrol. It is just a little too extreme for me. To further explain my situation I want to compete in bodybuilding. I'm not cut but I'm not a fat piece of shit (defensive lineman with a 5.5sec 40). I would like to lean out. If you guys could suggest a simple cycle that would be great because I don't have alot of money. By the way, it is a scientific probability I won't grow anymore. When I had my knee x-rayed the doc said my growth plates were gone. Also, I already have a full beard and body hair, deep voice ect. I think my teenage test levels have reached it's peak if not declining, I'm not sure though. Thanks guys! [This message has been edited by Swollen (edited May 24, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 363) |
posted May 24, 2000 06:24 PM
I disagree with gearseeker. Anadrol for a first cycle....stacked with every damn compound on earth!?!?! Big guy.....well said!! 17 is really too young, but if you insist on the use of AS anyway I would go with test and/or dbol. IP: Logged |
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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 24, 2000 08:47 PM
I'm new to this board. I have my own board if you guys are interested in joining let me know. Anyway, I like you guys, very understanding. I feel a little out-classed here but I hope you guys don't mind me sticking around and throwing my two sense in every now and then. I considered drinking Reforvit and was thinking something like this; Week 1; 50 mgs The only problem is I can't afford Clomid or natural test increasers. I also read that this isn't a good cutting A.S. What do you guys think? Thanks! IP: Logged |
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scott825 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 193) |
posted May 24, 2000 09:03 PM
a good first cycle for what your trying to do would be Deca & Winstrol finish off with clomid Look in the search & youll see alot of different ways to stack it. IP: Logged |
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Mr. Laredo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted May 24, 2000 09:20 PM
Go for it bro! I'm 20 yrs old and been lifting for past 5. I started my first cycle at 18. These older fucks that say your to young is bullshit. If they had an opportunity at your age they would have juiced to. I would not consider mega dosing because it would be a waste since natural test levels are high at 17. Deca and test would be a good first cycle. Are you in high school atheletics?? IP: Logged |
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REF-E-MB Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted May 24, 2000 09:26 PM
I am also 17 years old and have taken AS. I have only taken one cycle and got incredible results. I took 2cc of ref-b per day and gained 22 lbs. and i kept about 17...it isn't fat either!!!! I'm about to begin a cycle with 2cc of ref-b per day for mass and then 400mg per week of EQ to harden up. If you want to do it, go for it. I got flamed for using it too but the gains are worth being bitched out. Some guys on this board are assholes and want to flame everyone. However, there are others that will help you out and that is what is worth stickin around for. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP BROS!!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 24, 2000 09:32 PM
I'm just finishing up Junior year so I plan on wrestling mid-Senior year. I gotta get ripped and huge. I need that intimidation and ruthlessness. I figure I already have a great base to build on and some A.S. could do wonders. But my main focus is to get shredded. My efforts so far include; 1500 cal diet (1 grm pro per pound), 5day 60min cardio in mourn and 6 day weights. I'm also taking a thermo but I don't think thermos can even compare with A.S. IP: Logged |
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deadliftr Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted May 24, 2000 09:45 PM
Well little bro, you say you did your research but you state that thermos cant compare to AS? What the hell are you talking about? What do thermos even have in common with AS? Do yourself a favor, go to GNC get some cell-tech, acetobolan and anotesten and come back here then your 25!Case closed.later. DL20 IP: Logged |
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Toby39 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 106) |
posted May 24, 2000 09:52 PM
I don't think REF-B would be good for what you want.. Didn't you want to get cut and lean? REF-B is a mass builder... If I were you I would go with EQ or Winny or Stacked together. EQ.....Winny Just my .02 IP: Logged |
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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 24, 2000 09:56 PM
Another one of you guys? Regardless of their chemical similarities (none) I'm talking about altering my apearance. They both burn fat in some way. L-e-t m-e b-r-e-a-k i-t d-o-w-n f-o-r y-o-u; Thermos= increase matabolism, metabolize fat, increase in thyroid A.S.= increase in muscle mass (which burns fat, I hope you knew that), positive nitrogen state (which also helps in metabolizing fat, I hope you knew that) along with countless other benefits. I might not know too much about A.S. but don't fuck with me when it comes to anything else in bodybuilding becuase I can hang. IP: Logged |
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Deepsquat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 634) |
posted May 24, 2000 10:30 PM
Look, wheather you want to here it or not you are too young! And I am not being an asshole by telling you the truth! Was your mom being an asshole when she told you cigeretts are bad for you. Even dan Duchaine "The Guru" Himself thought that teens should stay away from roids!As a teen teen you are much more lokely to feel the crushing effects of losing size when you come off cycle(If you think I am full of shit, then maybe you should look up some of the post by Italian Sweetness> Fucker could barly get his ass into the gym! With that said,I would suggest a very mild cycle.250mgs of test per week and 200 mgs of deca for a short 6 week cycle.1500 calories per day is NOT going to work...You must decide whether you want to get bigger or more ripped. The dieting goals are not the same.If you are going to try to get ripped you don't even need the juice...I think you have a lot to learn....even if you think you can "hang" with the best of us in other areas of bodybuilding ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 24, 2000 11:04 PM
I respect what you have to say Deepsquat. But you have to realize my position. I come to boards to find information from poeple who have first hand experience. Because of my age I am automatically labeled and not taken seriously. You have to admit that many that juice now started at my age. Guys tell me to research, I have been for a very long time now. Guys assume I think I know it all, well I don't. Thats why I ask. All I what is something to give me that edge and boost my self confidence. Can you dig? Thanks brothers. IP: Logged |
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Deepsquat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 634) |
posted May 24, 2000 11:07 PM
I understand what you are sayin...enough about the drugs... You must ear more then 1500 calories a day even if you are trying to lose weight ...that is not enough food for a small girl! 2000 calories a day at least... 3000 if you are juiceing! IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 405) |
posted May 24, 2000 11:19 PM
Truth is, if you wanna go pro, you gotta start young (18 or so). If i were you, i would do a cycle of winstrol and eq. you are wrestling, so you wanna be pretty cut. Eat good, lots of protein, 400mg of eq a week, 300mg of winstrol a week, both for week, and you should be about 10lbs heavier, and about 10lbs of fat lost. However, if i was playing football, i would do an 8 week cycle of test enanthate and deca, 600mg of test and 400mg of deca. The doses are kinda low since this is your first cycle. That's my 2 cents. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BillyBadAss Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 81) |
posted May 24, 2000 11:25 PM
don't touch test. go with deca/primo/winstrol/reforvit do deca and reforvit for four weeks, and eat like a horse. then do winnie and primo and diet down. IP: Logged |
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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 24, 2000 11:38 PM
Jay Z, how many weeks on that EQ and Winny cycle? IP: Logged |
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deadliftr Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 10) |
posted May 25, 2000 02:29 PM
Hey shitface, NO TYPE OF AS BURNS FAT....clen, DNP, GH are not AS.....do me a favor and name a fatburning steroid....uhhhhhhhh...thats what i thought...now go watch some fukin cartoons..haha IP: Logged |
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Kane1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34) |
posted May 25, 2000 02:59 PM
Swollen, I'm 21 years old and have never done As, but the reason that I'm here is because I'm thinking about it. I personal think that I might be to young myself. If you gonna do your gonna do it because everyone has an opinion. I've competed in a body building commpitition and I'm all natural. My only hold back from doing AS right now is I don't know if I want to be labled a Steroid user. Once you do it all of your pervios hard gains are discredited and everyone says oh he did it all with roids. I personaly don't know if I want that. If you don't do them you get respect from both worlds AS users and none users. I personaly have nothing against people who use them, but I don't know if I want to loose credit for my hard work. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 138) |
posted May 25, 2000 03:25 PM
You're too young, so I guess I am an asshole. Your body can grown out of balance. You know short legs, long body, or something else. But he, it's your life. You can also win at Russian roulette. Jeff IP: Logged |
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Swollen Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 25, 2000 07:05 PM
Hey deadliftr, Promotes muscle growth wich in turn burns fat. Go read a book. IP: Logged |
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slim jim Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted May 25, 2000 11:02 PM
IF I WAS 17 YEARS OLD, I WOULD GO FOR IT. BUT IM NOT, YOU SHOULD WAIT AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO. WISH YOU LUCK IN YOUR DECISION! IP: Logged |
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