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 as and the main muscle--your heart
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GROW OR DIE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 117) |
posted May 23, 2000 12:26 PM
  
a friend of a friend just passed away ouy of the blue, he was on gear not sure what kind or for how long. when they did autopsy they found that he had a heart attack and his heart was surrounded by fat and his heart was enlarged. he most likely was on gear for a while ,he was pretty big and young (29) since the heart is a muscle it must also grow and become enlarged right? does anybody know the effects on the heart alot of people like myself get shortness of breath or difficulty breathing when on gear. IP: Logged |
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Gilbyag Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted May 23, 2000 12:34 PM
Bump, sorry to hear about your friend. Id like to hear what the veterans have to say. IP: Logged |
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Dark Stalker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted May 23, 2000 12:58 PM
Sorry about your friend. I once heard that when you abuse on gear that is the kind of thing that happen. IP: Logged |
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SCHNiKEN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 292) |
posted May 23, 2000 01:04 PM
Sorry to hear about your friend that type of shit worries me so much.. IP: Logged |
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Thick dog Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 256) |
posted May 23, 2000 01:18 PM
Sorry man, that is a trgic story. Bump. IP: Logged |
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wannaBbig Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted May 23, 2000 01:28 PM
sorry about your friend. i've heard of some guy's with bad tickers after being on for a while not sure about the damage thu., curious to here from the vet's no the subject. IP: Logged |
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superkutt Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 116) |
posted May 23, 2000 01:31 PM
sorry for your loss bro. and i'd like to here the vets on this as well. IP: Logged |
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SCHNiKEN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 292) |
posted May 23, 2000 01:33 PM
Bump.. id really like to hear something from the mods here.. whats your opinion? IP: Logged |
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Fish Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 102) |
posted May 23, 2000 01:33 PM
Sorry to hear this. Sorry for your loss of a friend. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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GROW OR DIE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 117) |
posted May 23, 2000 02:33 PM
looks like we all could use some advise, seems funny that not many people search the effects of as and the heart!!! seems important IP: Logged |
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FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 364) |
posted May 23, 2000 02:34 PM
sorry on your loss---a similar thing happened to a friend of a friend here in nj...its a sad tragedy.... IP: Logged |
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matty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 645) |
posted May 23, 2000 02:48 PM
bump!!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Magic11 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted May 23, 2000 02:59 PM
VERY SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR FRIEND. THE SAME THING HAPPENED HERE TO A FEW GUYS THAT USED TO GO TO MY GYM. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE MODS HAVE TO SAY. IP: Logged |
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Jeff_rys Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 129) |
posted May 23, 2000 03:04 PM
It is hard to loose a friend, but it is harder for those who die. Besides you die alone. But if his hart was in a layer of fat then maybe he wanted to be big at any cost. Having more then 25 % of bodyfat is really dangerous. I don't know how much he had. Taking roids just like that isn't enough. You must control your lifestyle more then persons who don't use roids. But even persons who don't use anything get heartstrokes. It is always tough to loose someone you care for; Jeff IP: Logged |
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GETCUT Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 79) |
posted May 23, 2000 03:04 PM
BUMP. sorry about your bro. IP: Logged |
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BiffBoom Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 394) |
posted May 23, 2000 03:08 PM
Cardiomyopathy can be caused by gear. Alcohol can also cause your heart to enlargen permanently. Some people can grow enlargened hearts thru genetics or even exercise. As for the fatty part...how clean did he eat while juicing?? Ever sneak some donuts or chips? Just my opinion...but your bro probably had a pre-existing condition and the gear probably exacerbated his problem. Sorry to hear about your bro. IP: Logged |
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ex-infantry Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted May 23, 2000 03:14 PM
very sorry to hear that bro. bump for all of our dearly departed. R.I.P. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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happymf'er Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 101) |
posted May 23, 2000 03:19 PM
sorry to hear about your friend bro. IP: Logged |
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OMEGALOS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 172) |
posted May 23, 2000 03:32 PM
Ive heard before that its actually Growth hormone that enlarges your heart, not AS. My condolences to you. IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 23, 2000 03:52 PM
I am stunned that all you guys are juicing and don't even have the faintest clue about some NOT UNCOMMON side effects from the stuff. The heart doesn't have many A/S receptors on it, but it most certainly can develop dilated cardiomyopathy from stresses such as high blood pressure brought on from too much gear for too long with poor attention to diet (and/or alcohol) and anybody's guess at the other stuff bodybuilders might throw in the mix. This is quite different from exercise induced 'athletes heart' which is not considered life-threatening. And yes, there is an element of luck or genetics because some of the worst offenders (the pros) are still kicking. For now anyway. And I'm very sorry for the loss of your friends friend, for whatever reason. Maybe you should change your name to GROW AND DIE? (just joking dude) [This message has been edited by MS (edited May 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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CONCERETE MaSS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted May 23, 2000 04:18 PM
R.I.P bump.. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mr. T Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 449) |
posted May 23, 2000 04:24 PM
Yeah I have heard of that happening. I stay away from strenuous cardio when Im on AS. I just take walks and medium paced bike rides- IP: Logged |
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BigGuns2 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted May 23, 2000 04:25 PM
Sorry about your friend. That's scary stuff. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 23, 2000 04:32 PM
I just thought you all might like a refresher course on possible side effects of A/S use. Keep in mind this data is collected from people receiving LOW DOSE (ie being treated by a doctor) A/S. When you up the dose to the levels most bodybuilders use, you can see that friends are occassionally gonna POP-OFF. Be as smart as you can with A/S. This board is a great resource to help you. Cardiovascular and Hematologic Decreased HDL cholesterol
Renal Elevated BUN, creatine Dermatologic Acne Hepatic Elevated liver function test results Musculoskeletal Increased risk of musculotendinous injury Subjective Edema Psychological Aggressive behavior [This message has been edited by MS (edited May 23, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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greenhouse Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 209) |
posted May 23, 2000 04:38 PM
That is very tragic thing to hear. Sorry. IP: Logged |
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45Plates Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 268) |
posted May 23, 2000 04:59 PM
Bro, sorry for your loss it's hard to take. Hey mods whats your take on this? Plates IP: Logged |
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thiassi Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 280) |
posted May 23, 2000 05:17 PM
I'm sorry for your friend, I lost a freind also he was in his 20's they thought it was because he was drinking Ice water while working out that caused his heart attack. I think this shit just happens. I don't do cardio while on juce just incase. I hope my friend Joe Khory 1990 Durant, OK. and your friend can rest in peace. L8R IP: Logged |
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ripp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 72) |
posted May 23, 2000 06:07 PM
real quick here...smooth muscle(heart) vs. skeletal muscle(quads, biceps, etc.) Your heart is not directly affected as much as are your skeletal muscles due to AS use...BUT...there are many causes of left ventricular hypertrophy (enlargement of the the part of the heart the pumps the blood through the body...too large=loss of effiency=decrease cardiac output) that are associated with athletics and bodybuilding. This is what causes the cardiac failure in most of the cases. Let me know if you want more info on this... IP: Logged |
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