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 What do A-50's aromatize into? Estro or Prog.
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bigdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54) |
posted May 19, 2000 07:30 PM
  
I have heard many heated arguments for both. Which is it, estrogen or progesterone??? ------------------ BIGDOG IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1423) |
posted May 19, 2000 07:42 PM
does not aromatize in its primary chemical form it binds directly unto and activates progesterone receptors ------------------ IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 973) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:24 PM
damn macro you know your shit i am so impressed what is your occupation? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted May 20, 2000 01:30 AM
"does not aromatize in its primary chemical form it binds directly unto and activates progesterone receptors" Macro, any references to show that oxymetholone is progestagenic? I am too of the belief that it does, but I have not found any studies looking directly at this topic. I have seen studies showing carbohydrate disturbances which could be indicative of progestagenic activity. I would be interested in any info. IP: Logged |
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RippedInOhio Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted May 20, 2000 01:40 AM
I also am very impressed macro... you rock dood. Ripped ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Orbitus Teranium Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted May 20, 2000 07:24 AM
If a drug converts into progesterone and you get gyno from it are you fucked? or will arimidex stop it? IP: Logged |
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bigdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54) |
posted May 20, 2000 10:50 AM
supposedly Winny-v has anti progestrogenic qualities, as does ru-486, the morning after pill. The later is far too expensive and way too hard to find for most. How much winny would a guy need to take to prevent gyno? How many A-50's can a guy take without worrying too much about gyno? 1 maybe 2 ?? ------------------ BIGDOG IP: Logged |
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BigGuns2 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted May 20, 2000 11:20 AM
I've read that you can take 1 to 3 A-50s a day. They say an antiestrogen is a must and you should use a short cycle of only 4 to 5 weeks. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bigdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54) |
posted May 20, 2000 12:20 PM
But why take an anti-estrogen if we've just established that it doesn't elevate estrogen levels? Could a guy take 2 a day without fear of progesterone induced gyno? ------------------ BIGDOG IP: Logged |
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BigGuns2 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted May 20, 2000 12:26 PM
I read that on an information page. It said without an antiestrogen you run a big risk of gyno on A-50. It said one antiestrogen a day while taking A-50 would protect you from gyno. They may be wrong though. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted May 20, 2000 05:38 PM
"I read that on an information page. It said without an antiestrogen you run a big risk of gyno on A-50. It said one antiestrogen a day while taking A-50 would protect you from gyno. They may be wrong though." They are wrong, since oxymetholone cannot aromatize into an estrogen, therefore there is no estrogenic effects that one could block. The idea of oxymetholone having progestagenic activity would allow for it's known gyno producing ability. IP: Logged |
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browndog1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48) |
posted May 20, 2000 06:07 PM
a-50 aromatizes into progesterone, I thought. Therefore, colmid and nolva are defenseless against gyno caused by it. (just like deca induced gyno) BUT, i've also read that 50mg/eod of winny will combat the gyno b/c winny is a progesterone blocker. Don't take my word for it...bd [This message has been edited by browndog1 (edited May 20, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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micke Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted May 20, 2000 07:12 PM
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micke Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted May 20, 2000 07:13 PM
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Orbitus Teranium Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted May 21, 2000 08:50 AM
Well if nolva dont work then what the fuck will work to protect from prog induced gyno? And what the fuck is ru-486? IP: Logged |
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bigdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54) |
posted May 21, 2000 09:27 AM
Winstol will block the effects of progesterone. RU-486 is the "morning after pill" It's used by women in europe to induce spontaneous abortion if they think they may have had an accident during intercourse. If taken during the first week after the incident the pill starves the growing fetus of ALL progesterone, therefore killing it. It is truly the best prog. blocker out there. What side effects it has on men is still unknown. ------------------ BIGDOG IP: Logged |
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