posted May 18, 2000 08:28 PM            

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I have a high school friend who's 17, and he just started lifting hard and he's decided to take andro. I told him if he's going to go that route to just start juicin but he wouldn't be able to get ahold of any. Anyways he told a stack of andro and added some real solid weight like 12 lbs, and he has a naturally low bf level. Prob around 8 or 7. Anyways he weighs about a $1.70 and he has decided to buy some pure andro pills. Only thing is that they are 500mg pills and they cost 140 bucks for a bottle. (I know he should of bought gear) but Does andro produce alot of estrogen whuch could give him gyno and other effects?? Any hazards?? It's funny he is always pissed off now b/c of to much testosterone and we rag him all the time. Should I tell him to be careful b/c of bad side effects or anything?? What do you guys think about andro?? I don't use it, don't like the science behind it. any replies greatful. Thanks.

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posted May 18, 2000 08:41 PM            

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I've wasted my money on that shit too many times,but 140 dollars is ridiculous.The only
prohormone stack I got anything from was
anotestin from MT.I believe that prohormones
are worse for you than juice(injectables)
who knows how hard they are on your liver &
what other side effects they have,this stuff
hasnt been around long enough yet.Atleast
we know evrything there is to know about juice because it has been around for decades.
Plus we know it works,for 140 I can get a
cycle of the real thing.

[This message has been edited by scott825 (edited May 18, 2000).]

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posted May 18, 2000 08:44 PM            

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Tell him to send me his money and I will give him some asprin for $100.00 bucks at least he will not get gyno and no results.

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posted May 18, 2000 08:52 PM            

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I DOUBT PROHORMONES DO ANYTHING. I READ SOMEWHERE THAT 95% OF ANDRO GETS DESTROYED IN THE LIVER BEFORE IT EVEN GET A CHANCE TO CONVERT TO TESTOSTERONE.

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posted May 18, 2000 08:55 PM            

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I used nor-19 and without juicing it actually did give me a kick. I don;t care what anyone argues. But andro especially considering how many crumby companies out there make it you are taking your chances. By the way I have never seen any real documantation that andro caused gyno in healthy normal males.. PS Juice does work a lot better but some prohormones work
a lttle

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posted May 18, 2000 08:58 PM            

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BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND WILL NOT RETURN...WHAT A WAIST WHEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.......YA YA SURE IT IS LEGAL (SAFE AS FAR AS WE KNOW) BUT, I SPENT TON'S OF MONEY ON JUST ABOUT EVERY PRODUCT OUT THERE AND WILL NOT DO IT AGIAN..

CREATINE AND PROTEIN POWDERS ARE THE ONLY THING I HAVE PURCHASED FROM A (STORE) THAT SOMEWHAT WORK...THEN AGIAN EVERYONE IS MADE DIFFERANT SO GOOD LUCK........

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posted May 19, 2000 02:32 AM            

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andro is bad for you..... period

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posted May 19, 2000 03:14 AM            

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If your friend is anywhere near prone to gyno he might as well pick up a training bra before he hops on the bus to get some andros. For $140 he could get a shit load of protein powder and glutamine that would do him a whole lot more good. Besides the lousy sides of 500MG of gyndros, he's still too young to messing with his hormone levels. Do whatever you can to keep him from doing that himself. You're being a far better friend than you know if you keep him off that shit.

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posted May 19, 2000 08:38 AM            

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seeing that he paid $140 for them he is probably going to take them anyway..... you should tell him to get some clomid ..that may reduce the effects of estrogen production

VK

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posted May 19, 2000 09:12 AM         

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I am one of the few bodybuilders that just plain disagrees with everyone about the prohormones. I think they work to a degree. It's just what people expect. MOst who try these hormones have already used much harder ones, so of course they are going to say it does not work. Bottom line is, test levels do raise, and if you take them in a high enough dose, and for a long enough period, they do work. But just because test levels are high it does not mean that you will gain muscle. This is where the lack of education comes in with most. Anyone who is trying to use andro to grow, you need to take some college corses in anatomy, chemistry, and biology, or buy the books and educate yourself. Without this knowledge, most just won't get any results from this hormonal pathway the andros create. THEY WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS THE PRESCRIPTIONS, but they do work. It just takes a lot of hard work to make them work. As far as gyno goes....most tend to get this effect from the 5-Andros, but if you notice the soreness.....lower the dose.

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posted May 19, 2000 10:45 AM         

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I don't think prohormones are very good for muscle growth, but they'll give you a set of tits you can hang your hat on.

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posted May 19, 2000 10:48 AM            

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anotesten worked a little for me
but dont waste your money

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