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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 18, 2000 07:08 PM
   A friend told me not to take antibiotics while on a cycle is this true???? IP: Logged |
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ripp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:26 PM
no IP: Logged |
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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:30 PM
thanx bro IP: Logged |
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GOWZER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:00 PM
everyone knows that antibiotics totaly destroy protein synthesis your friend is a 100% correct your cycle would go down the drain you might as well spend that money on a laxative .cause youre gonna get shit. IP: Logged |
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ripp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:06 PM
thank god you are not in a position to make real decisions for people...dont worry, anti-infectives in no way hinder protein biosynthesis involved with musculature. IP: Logged |
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GOWZER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted May 19, 2000 12:43 AM
what makes you so sure.ive read a 100 times that antibiotics fuck up protein synthesis on cycles.but hey maybe you know better . IP: Logged |
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Quadking Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted May 19, 2000 07:09 AM
To ripp, On page 230 of the anabolic reference guide edition 6 written by Phillips he clearly states that broad spectrum antibiotics DO exhibit an anti-anabolic effect by inhibiting protein synthesis. Don't be so sure of yourself! It may not matter to you but the person asking the question deserves to have an educated answer, not some I think so bullshit! IP: Logged |
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susthead Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 19, 2000 08:58 AM
fact you should not train while using antibiotics its bad for your heart so i wouldnt advise taking emm on as . i dont like taking them full stop IP: Logged |
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ripp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 19, 2000 12:18 PM
Dr. quad...that doesnt do me any good...please give me an actual reference to authors, journal, title of article and maybe a brief abstract. it should be at the end of the article you read...thanks IP: Logged |
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GOWZER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:25 PM
yo rip now youve got two pepole telling you youre wrong and your still talkin shit.your an asshole...ive read the anabolic refernce guide along with a hundered more articles,but like ive said maybe in your puny mind you think you know better.....fuckin novice... IP: Logged |
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doggod Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:28 PM
I don't know about inhibiting protein synthesis but antibiotics will also kill the friendly bacteria in our gut. This may cause a problem with nutrients being used. IP: Logged |
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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:44 PM
Thanx bros!! If 2 people say it will mess w/ your cycle then i think "why even chance it??" IP: Logged |
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ripp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 20, 2000 12:39 AM
ok here...taking your Z-pack for 5 days while on your cycle is a huge mistake. You will not gain a thing...you might actually lose muscle mass because of the binding to the 50S ribosomal sunbunit on the susceptible organisms. Actually you might totally atrophy and look like a fuckin stick man. Hey, maybe if you took an extra protein shake it might counteract for the protein degredation the antibiotics cause...You fuckers crack me up... Ripp IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted May 20, 2000 01:22 AM
Ripp is correct in the big picture. First, you must be specific in regards to the antibiotic. All antibiotics do not function the same way, some inhibit cell wall synthesis, some inhibit protein synthesis through ribosomal inhibition, etc. Of the various antibiotics, tetracycline is the one best known for causing a negative nitrogen balance in humans. Tetracycline works through ribosomal inhibition, thus causing decreased protein synthesis. What does this mean in regards to steroids? Probably nothing, since steroids are more powerful per se in regards to protein synthesis and degradation. Also, note that aspirin also shows a negative effect on nitrogen balance. How many have used an ECA stack and withered away to nothing? No one I would imagine. Finally, never refer to Bill Philips or The Anabolic Review as a reliable source of information. IP: Logged |
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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 20, 2000 07:37 PM
Ok so I will play it safe and stay away from the antibiotics!!! Thanx "Time To Grow!!!!!" IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68) |
posted May 21, 2000 01:30 AM
"Ok so I will play it safe and stay away from the antibiotics!!!" So are you saying that if on a cycle you need an antibiotic, you will not take one. Not very smart. I am also assuming you did not read or understand my post. Antibiotics are not going to affect steroidal gains to any extent. Let me give you another example: many antibiotics are used in the livestock industry TO PROMOTE ANIMAL GROWTH. The one that comes to mind is aureomycin, which works through inhibiting protein synthesis. When the intestinal flora is lowered, there will be a greater supply of nutrients for absorption. Side note: three posts on this thread were very annoying: "everyone knows that antibiotics totaly destroy protein synthesis your friend is a 100% correct your cycle would go down the drain you might as well spend that money on a laxative .cause youre gonna get shit." First, this is hilarious since TOTALLY stopping protein synthesis does only one thing: KILL YOU. "To ripp, On page 230 of the anabolic reference guide edition 6 written by Phillips he clearly states that broad spectrum antibiotics DO exhibit an anti-anabolic effect by inhibiting protein synthesis. Don't be so sure of yourself! It may not matter to you but the person asking the question deserves to have an educated answer, not some I think so bullshit!" To use The Anabolic Reference Guide and Bill Philips as a reference is like using MAD magazine and Alfred E. Neuman as a reference. "yo rip now youve got two pepole telling you youre wrong and your still talkin shit.your an asshole...ive read the anabolic refernce guide along with a hundered more articles,but like ive said maybe in your puny mind you think you know better.....fuckin novice..." This is my favorite. WOW!!! two whole people. I can find more than that that believe that different steroids bind different receptors, or that you can "clean" your receptors, or that high protein destroys your kidneys. IP: Logged |
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MONSTROSITY Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 169) |
posted May 21, 2000 09:37 AM
cockdezl, you make some very good points, I was thinking the same. If one was to get an infection during a cycle, antibiotics would be a must.......unless death is your choice. I use minocyline(antibiotic) during my cycles and have found it to hinder gains in no way shape or form. I will also say this.....I have used some low quality VET gear in the past and I have never gotten an infection. It's much harder to get an infection when your on antibiotics. IP: Logged |
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ripp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 62) |
posted May 21, 2000 12:03 PM
main misconception here is...and after this I will drop it...is "inhibiting protein synthesis". Once uneducated (not that you are ie. gowzer, quadking) people read this they automatically think muscle loss or lack of muscle growth. You must realize that there are so many different types of proteins in our body (including foreign) and pathways to synthesize proteins. Each protein has what some people say lock and key characteristics meaning "specificity". Antibiotics are somewhat specific to organisms with certain characterisics (ie. gram negative, gram positive etc.).. not always the case but in no way will hinder your gains from AS use. Ive tried to keep this as simplified as possible to make some sense...the takehome point here is ... If you need to take antibiotics then you can. But do not take them if you do not need to (drug resistance-another topic) IP: Logged |
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