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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 18, 2000 02:18 AM
  
1. Why do so many people use large gauge needles to inject? this is totally unecessary- almost anything will go through a 25g needle- yet how often, I hear people using 21g or even 20g(cannons). The only reason that I bring this up is that scar tissue can become a big issue with frequent and/or long term use- USE SMALL GAUGE whenever possible- which is all the time- if you are injecting suspension heat it up- it is often granular and if not heated will only go through a large gauge pin. heating it up will cause solute to go into solution. 2. Why is it,or so it seems, that so few use drawing needles? these puppies are cheap 4$ for a hundred. that way the needle you inject with is clean and sharp as can be. not only that you can use a 18g to draw- you can draw up anything with 18g in a matter of seconds. its sterile and makes everything easier. 3. why on earth does anyone re-use needles? Ok, sometimes you run out, this should not happen, but if it does make sure to clean them with alcohol. other wise just order a bunch when you get them, they are pretty cheap and range from 12-28$ per 100 depending on gauge, source and manufacturer. Stock up on pins- dont risk infection for a 25 cent syringe. the doctors visit is going to cost you more than many boxes of pins. 4. injection volume- I often see people posting that they have done several one or two cc injections- heres a little breakdown that may suprise you: glutes- can usually take 5cc per injection quads- 2.5 to 3.5 cc considered safe range delts 2-3 cc considered safe calves- only if you want nerve damage- not advised soviets+ eastern bloc atheletes did 10cc injections into glutes and quads- I dont recommend this but just goes to show the capacity. Peace ------------------ [This message has been edited by macrophage69alpha (edited May 18, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 319) |
posted May 18, 2000 02:44 AM
This is a good one to keep at the top....excellent information. Thanks MP!! IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 605) |
posted May 18, 2000 03:15 AM
THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP MACRO. ONCE AGAIN A RELEVANT POST FROM THE MODS...HOW DO THEY DO IT? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rich1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 311) |
posted May 18, 2000 03:24 AM
BUMP THE HELL OUT OF THIS ONE. IP: Logged |
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qui Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 101) |
posted May 18, 2000 08:55 AM
Some results can also be obtained from using 29g 1cc injections - 3 times (with near ZERO scar tissue) vs. 23g 3cc injection 1 time. IP: Logged |
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Michael Gigante Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 79) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:21 AM
good read. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Ice Man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:50 AM
Bump for the newbies and for the vets that just forgot. IP: Logged |
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Natural Wonder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted May 18, 2000 10:25 AM
BUMP Very good info. I'll print this one out for those few crazy dudes at the gyms that do ALL THE WRONG THINGS Thanks IP: Logged |
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somec- Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 85) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:11 AM
Bump..good info to remember IP: Logged |
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Fish Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 90) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:17 AM
bump, thanks ------------------ IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 3115) |
posted May 18, 2000 02:53 PM
back up IP: Logged |
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ectomorph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 275) |
posted May 18, 2000 03:11 PM
Kerpow!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jimbaker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 81) |
posted May 18, 2000 03:23 PM
bump it up!! good info jimbaker IP: Logged |
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FitnessChick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 333) |
posted May 18, 2000 03:35 PM
bumpity bump bump....excellent post.... IP: Logged |
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joker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 134) |
posted May 18, 2000 04:20 PM
I used a 1.5" 25g with sust/deca and it took a long time to push that juice through even after heating it up some. IP: Logged |
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shocker005 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 37) |
posted May 18, 2000 04:44 PM
I'm using sostenon redi's, you know the ones with the harpoon. Well I wish I could find some smaller pins that would just push on the body of the seringe,like the ones that come with it.anyone know of somthing like this? E-me IP: Logged |
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Steelsoldier Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 80) |
posted May 18, 2000 04:47 PM
Ba Ba Ba Bump!Excellent info putting you ampulles inhot water(not boiling) lets it pass into the pin alot easier. "The more you sweat in training the less you bleed in battle" IP: Logged |
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Fe3 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 299) |
posted May 18, 2000 04:53 PM
I have scar tissue everywhere. I am going to use my feet and neck next. I want to have big muscular feet. I want people to say"look at the size of the feet on that man" His toes are fuckin' ripped." IP: Logged |
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deadlifter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted May 18, 2000 04:57 PM
very good infor macro... bump! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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waltzman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted May 18, 2000 06:05 PM
GOOD INFO TO KNOW THANKS HOW DO THE MODS KNOW SO MUCH IP: Logged |
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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131) |
posted May 18, 2000 06:14 PM
BUMP. I'll try it IP: Logged |
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Big Buck Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted May 18, 2000 06:23 PM
bump, good post. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 18, 2000 10:42 PM
Heating of suspension solutions to get all of the solute to go into solution can be done with pan and water or in the microwave just be sure to not over heat- ie. do not boil your solution. tips- if you are going to do it in the syringe- use microwave- out in a small tupperware bowl at an upward slant(so you dont lose any) stabilize- remove pin. nuke- for 4-5 seconds at a time until you get desired results- once you figure out total time you can just throw it in there for 12,15,19,23 etc.. this varies alot because of the wattage variance among microwaves. I would say that on average it take 15-25 sec on high. if you are going to heat up in a multi use vial have everything ready so you can draw and inject before solution cools DO NOT OVERHEAT ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Diver Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 18, 2000 10:46 PM
Very well done macro. (uh-oh only one more post im almost there!) IP: Logged |
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NEWMAXX Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112) |
posted May 18, 2000 10:50 PM
Thanks MP...Bumpa rooo ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Doc Ponch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 73) |
posted May 18, 2000 10:53 PM
Thanks for the info. IP: Logged |
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ChefRski Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 106) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:03 PM
Great one...To the TOP!!!!
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 281) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:03 PM
Shit...now I have to stop using the pin that I got with my Turkey cooker ! I don't know what gauge it is, maybe a 1 or 2...sure does hurt like hell though. Macro is right. I have to say that I have gotten accustomed to 21 ga because of the ease of injections. Plus the fact that I own a life time supply...got a deal. BPP "New from PapaCo...Double Barrelled Pins. Be the first one in your gym with the capability to inject 2 vials at once, with our patented dual plunger design, you will be the envey of all of your friends. Call within the next 10 seconds and we'll also include our deluxe Nipple Dripper system at no extra charge. Call today and mention this ad and we'll also.... IP: Logged |
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kram696969 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 96) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:14 PM
good info. kram-mark IP: Logged |
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BIG DEAN Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:18 PM
I HAVE BEEN THINKING THIS FOR A LONG TIME ALSO, GOOD POST IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 19, 2000 01:35 AM
bump- the price of safety is so small- dont re-use pins. the cost of scar tissue is great use 25g whenever practicable. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2140) |
posted May 19, 2000 01:44 AM
I would like to add a quick note about Macro's recommendation of 25g pins (when applicable). They will take about 3-6 minutes to inject 1cc of an oil-based solution, so take your time and do not let the needle move around too much while you inject. I personally like the 23g pins for most injections Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 19, 2000 04:19 AM
2THICK I have personally seen, my "twin", push 3cc's of a variety of oils through a 25g pin in under 30 secs, In fact I see him do it every other day. using terumo pins and syringes- the b-d are a little harder to push through but still less than a minute. just like to add that those terumo pins are very sharp- they slide right in. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Starski Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 19, 2000 05:08 AM
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Starski Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 19, 2000 05:08 AM
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OMEGALOS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 171) |
posted May 19, 2000 06:33 AM
Bumpety bump. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 19, 2000 02:07 PM
bump for 2thick- just curious? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 19, 2000 02:56 PM
2Thick? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 979) |
posted May 19, 2000 03:01 PM
2thick are 5cc pins available anywhere not that you sell them or anything *wink* but i cant ever find 5cc syringes ------------------ IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 534) |
posted May 19, 2000 04:02 PM
i don't see any need for them either, the less damage the better, i like 23g. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 19, 2000 06:43 PM
2thick? 25g at 3cc=30sec ------------------ IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 550) |
posted May 19, 2000 06:51 PM
I use 22 gauge most time, sometimes 23, I just vary the injection site and don't go over 3 cc's at a time in the thigh's. Only place I shoot, personal preference. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Anabolicum Mister Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 163) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:07 PM
Mac...a couple of questions. Is it true that injecting too fast and/or too much volume also causes scar tissue or increases the chance of an infection? O.K. So just one question. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2140) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:07 PM
Macro, Sorry bro, but I have been away all day. I do not see you pushing even 1cc of oil in under a minute with a 25g needle. My "twin" has a hard time pushing 1cc of Primo into his quad with a 23g in less than 30 seconds. Maybe your "twin's" muscles just soak up the juice like a sponge?? He must just be a freak of nature. I still say a max of 23g for most oils, but you must experiment and make up your own mind. Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 20, 2000 02:14 AM
2Thick did a little experiment with "Twin", just to see actual(theoretical) time- ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2140) |
posted May 20, 2000 12:34 PM
Macro, That sounds like a good way to find out a relatively average time for each size. Your twin actually injects 4.5cc in one injection site!? Like I said before, your twin must have magical "sponge-like" muscles. I know my twin does not...he he. Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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happymf'er Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 73) |
posted May 20, 2000 01:11 PM
biz-ump IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 20, 2000 01:47 PM
TO EVERYONE THAT READS THIS IF YOU HAVE THE MOTIVATION AND TIME PLEASE TIME YOUR "APPLICATIONS" THEN POST PIN SIZE, SITE OF APPLICATION, AMOUNT+OIL TYPE/OR SUSPENSION TYPE, TYPE OF PIN, AND OF COURSE TOTAL TIME. THANKS ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 20, 2000 05:17 PM
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Anabolicum Mister Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 163) |
posted May 20, 2000 05:30 PM
Is this a race? I have always been told to inject slow to let the oil disperse a bit and that injecting too quickly could lead to scar tissue or infection. 2Thick, Mac, comments? IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 20, 2000 07:24 PM
I really dont see how speed of injection would affect either infection rates or scar tissue production- for example when using 20g or 19g- which some people sadly do- injection time for 3cc's is less than 10sec- when the doctor/nurse gives you an injection do they go super slow? I dont think so- they push it through as fast as it will reasonably go. If anyone has any info asserting otherwise- I would be more than happy to hear it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 20, 2000 08:13 PM
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 20, 2000 09:09 PM
GET OUT YOUR STOP WATCHES AND POST SOME TIMES ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2140) |
posted May 20, 2000 09:13 PM
Okay, I think you should take your time and not push as hard as possible But I am talking about the time it takes to inject while pushing at a good rate. Bump...I would like to get some feedback from the other brothers on the board.
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 20, 2000 09:25 PM
FEEDBACK GOOD-IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME "REAL" WORLD RESULTS FROM OTHERS BUMP ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Brutis Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted May 20, 2000 10:26 PM
Bump this one. IP: Logged |
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ThePitbull Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 73) |
posted May 20, 2000 10:49 PM
Good info. as always! ThePitbull IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 21, 2000 02:30 AM
what is this an all natural board right now? post some times people. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2140) |
posted May 21, 2000 04:11 AM
Are we [Macro & I] talking to ourselves? How about some average injection times from some of the other guys on the board? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DOGGY Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 69) |
posted May 21, 2000 10:30 AM
friends, i try to stay with 23g almost always; as for times just popped 2.5 cc of eq. in glute in about 40 seconds. eq. real light though compared to most tests. see ya DOGGY IP: Logged |
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Anabolicum Mister Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 163) |
posted May 21, 2000 12:42 PM
Sorry fellas. My "twin" is on vacation for a couple more weeks. He might be back sooner if the postman is kind to him. I can't help you till then. BUMP for the bros that can! IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 21, 2000 02:10 PM
47 sec 3cc-full terumo 25g 1cc tren, .5cc t100, 1.5cc ultragan100 quad I guess I was A little off on the under 30sec ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mickey Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 77) |
posted May 21, 2000 02:18 PM
I use the terumo 23ga. I tried doing 3cc in one shot in the glute but I could barely move the next two days. I can only handle 2cc at a time to be comfortable. Guess it is just me. BTW I also like to take my time. I definately take longer than 30 seconds, more like 90!!! IP: Logged |
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slim jim Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted May 21, 2000 02:53 PM
BUMP GOOD INFO, LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM OTHER BROTHERS ON THIS! IP: Logged |
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delts Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 110) |
posted May 21, 2000 03:53 PM
I'm always delighted to see a thread with both Macro and 2thick sharing thoughts and ideas. Will be starting first cycle in a week, and will take this precious info into account. Thanks bros. delts ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 21, 2000 08:46 PM
it must be orals only day on the board- either that or no one has a time piece with which to conduct our little experiment ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DellBear Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted May 21, 2000 09:09 PM
I ran out of my normal 1.5 " 23 gauge pins, so I used the 21 gauge that I normally use for drawing the oil into the syringe. It hurt really bad and I have a big bruise on my ass now. IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 21, 2000 09:49 PM
bump- what is today the day of rest? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 22, 2000 12:49 AM
bump- pins pins pins/ times times times thanks ------------------ IP: Logged |
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scarface1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 92) |
posted May 22, 2000 01:06 AM
Bump!!! great info bro ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1432) |
posted May 22, 2000 01:17 PM
hello? dont tell me its orals only day again. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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