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Author Topic:   My HUGE cycle!!A-50,winny,eq,test,slin
bigdog
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 17, 2000 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigdog   Click Here to Email bigdog     Edit/Delete Message
OK. This is my last hurrah for a hardcore mass cycle. I've been slowly revamping it over the last two or three months making changes on a cost/growth scale.

Weeks 1-4

2 A-50/day
150mgs/ Winny week to minimize gyno related to a-50 use
200 mgs test

weeks 5-10

Taper off A-50's
100 mgs winny
500mgs EQ
800mgs test

weeks 11-15
500 EQ
800 test
5 d-bol/day
(gradual taper in these weeks from everything but EQ)
16-20

taper off EQ

last two weeks heavy clomid treatment and 2500ius of hcg for two weeks followed by 50mg/per day of clomid for an additional week

Throughout this whole cycle I will be using 20ius/day of insulin along with creatine and glutamine. I will also be taking 50mgs/DAY of clomid to fight any additional gyno.

Any comments/suggestions?

After this I'm going to do a cutting cycle, the first one ever. Hopefully then I can just do "maintanence" cycles to keep and refine what I have.

Thanks a lot guys and gals!

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demaroid
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posted May 17, 2000 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for demaroid   Click Here to Email demaroid     Edit/Delete Message
why only 200mg of test in your first four weeks? I would recommend at least 800mg at the start if your a newbie 1000mg+ if your experienced at the beginning. My opinion

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aahthit
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posted May 17, 2000 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aahthit   Click Here to Email aahthit     Edit/Delete Message
I've read things to the effect that glutamine and creatine use the same mechanisms to reach muscle cells, thereby negatimg the effects of each other. Anyone else heard of this?

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bigdog
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posted May 17, 2000 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigdog   Click Here to Email bigdog     Edit/Delete Message
You are correct. They both use insulin to reach the muscle (in laymans terms). One's body doesn't produce enough on its own, which is why your supposed to drink it with a sugar such as grape juice. That causes an insulin spike in your body enabling you to transport more nutrients and creatine, glutamine, and protien into the muscle cells.

None of this applies here. I am taking an exogenous supply of insulin.

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Deepsquat
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posted May 17, 2000 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deepsquat   Click Here to Email Deepsquat     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know...you are useing so many things ....how will you know what is working? I would just use 2 -3 differant drugs ...keep it simple.

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Kahn
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posted May 17, 2000 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kahn     Edit/Delete Message
I disagree with the minimize gyno statement. Screw that, NO gyno should be the goal. No titties are better than little titties in this case. (no jokes about my wife)(she's hurtin)

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Popeye
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posted May 17, 2000 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Popeye   Click Here to Email Popeye     Edit/Delete Message
You'll get awesome growth with those drugs alone....I wouldn't waste any money on insulin and creatine....it simply is not necessary.

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big_guy1
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posted May 18, 2000 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for big_guy1   Click Here to Email big_guy1     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 5126477
I would shoot more testo(first four week at least)...armidex help with the a-50 a lot, at least for me...

big-guy

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Krusher
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posted May 18, 2000 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Krusher   Click Here to Email Krusher     Edit/Delete Message
Are you saying that winny will reduce gyno from A-50? It won't.

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bigdog
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 18, 2000 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigdog   Click Here to Email bigdog     Edit/Delete Message
Why shouldn't winny reduce gyno?

Anadrol converts to PROGESTERONE not ESTROGEN, just like deca and fina. Winny is known to have anti progeterone capabilities.

Ok then how would this one be:

Weeks 1-6
1500mgs Test Enath
1 A-50 per day
1 clomid per day
20ius of insulin per day

Weeks 7-8
drop to 1/2 A-50 per day
everything else the same

Week 9
1000 mgs test
300 mgs EQ

Week 10
1000 mgs test
100 mgs EQ

Week 11
750 EQ

Week 12
600 EQ


Week 13
500 EQ

Week 14
250 EQ

Weeks 15-19
Intensive Hcg and Clomid treatment.


I am under the impression that by using more test and less EQ I will grow more. I am going to use EQ in the end to try to taper my body off of the more androgenic drugs with something more anabolic. Hopefully this will help me keep my gains.

Yes I could do something different, but there are a few things to keep in mind here:

1. Test is cheaper than Sust.
2. Anadrol is cheaper than D-bol
3. EQ is cheaper than Deca

And each one of the MUCH cheaper versions produce VERY similar results. I don't have a grand to drop on this cycle.

Does anyone else have any suggestions? PLEASE!!!!!


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bgriff
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posted May 18, 2000 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bgriff   Click Here to Email bgriff     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 58153208
The bigger the dawg, The bigger the bowel

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bigdog
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posted May 18, 2000 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigdog   Click Here to Email bigdog     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, thanks for that delightful insight into your "intellect".

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demaroid
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posted May 18, 2000 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for demaroid   Click Here to Email demaroid     Edit/Delete Message
I like the test dosages however if I read you structure correctly you will be on A-50's for 8 weeks? I would recommend no more than six weeks, and a half a tab is a waste of your time and money at that point in your cycle anyway. If you still want something to keep your strengh and mass kicking past the six week point buy some fina and use it for four to six more weeks. Alone it doesn't necessarily increase mass but stacked with a gram of test it will. Plus your strength and vascularity will go throught the roof. As far as HCG it is not necessary if you are using clomid responsibly as it seems you are, take that extra cash and buy some fina and a kit.

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bigdog
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posted May 18, 2000 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigdog   Click Here to Email bigdog     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks bro,

Do you think this will give me more LONGTERM size than the other one I had posted?

I didn't know if the EQ would be better throughout ,in place of test, or just at the end...yes I know...best would be both...in a perfect world that's what it would be!!! I just wanted to solidify my A-50 gains with test, my test gains with EQ and my EQ gains with clomid and two small shots of HCG(its only $10 so why not?...it couldn't hurt.

I am hovering right around 280-290lbs and I am looking for this one to push me over 300 and keep me there. From that point I'll probably do one more mass cycle, as time and cash permit, then do my first cutting cycle ever starting next march. That'll give me 3 full months to get huge AND shredded by next summer. My bodyfat is not too high, probably around 14-17%. I'd like to get it down to around 10%. From there I want to do "maintenance" cycles just to keep up size and cuts.

Thanks again for your time!

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bigdog
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 19, 2000 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigdog   Click Here to Email bigdog     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone else have any ideas or comments/changes?

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