posted May 17, 2000 02:07 PM            

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A few days ago I posted about my increase in blood pressure since starting my cycle (sust/reforvit/eq). Two days ago BP was 194/101, yesterday down to 170/94. It seems my company has fucked up my medical benefits......not enrolling my PPO coverage and assigning me the most basic of coverage. I can't make changes until October of this year, and the changes won't take effect until 2001!!!

I vented a little roid rage in associate relations.......my BP is probably at an all time low. But looking forward.......I have lowered my sodium intake and I'm trying to relax. Is there any supplement that can be taken to assist with my BP? I'll be my own doctor for the next year.....so any help would be great.

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posted May 17, 2000 03:06 PM            

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How are your cardio habits? I know I neglected mine and my BP soared to near dangerous levels and then I implemented a disiplined moderate cardio routine along with my weight training and my body responded quite nicely. It may be worth a try if you aren't consistent with your cardio right now.

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posted May 17, 2000 03:12 PM            

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I cut cardio from my training the day I stuck the first pin in my ass. I'm going to start cardio again today. How much did it reduce your BP?

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posted May 17, 2000 03:13 PM            

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For me doing cardio made no difference in blood pressure. You should go see a doctor and let him prescribe you something to get the thing down. You will have to pay the full price (at least so it works here in little Belgium) but better less money than dead. I bought myself a BP meter. your figures can improve doing it at home (more relaxed). So then you know if you have to worry. Also you can take your BP several times a day. You could also cut down on proteine, no fish, no meat, that will definitly help, but not so good if you need the protein. But your main concern should be to get the pressure DOWN.

Jeff

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posted May 17, 2000 03:25 PM            

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hehehehehehehehe.......cut my protein while juicing?!?!?! Not an option What I'm looking for is some suggestions of alternative ways to reduce BP. For some people, cardio works.....and I'm willing to try that. What I'm not willing to do is 1. stop juicing, 2. pay a $500 deductible plus 20% of all care after the deductible is met, 3. cut protein...or anything else that will have adverse effects on my gains.

I've seen some studies on vitamin C and BP reduction. Any thoughts on this? How about aspirin....it thins the blood, so I would imagine there is a subsequent reduction in pressure.

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posted May 17, 2000 03:41 PM            

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My blood pressure after 2 cycles w/out cardio was 167/98. My doctor freaked out as I am in my early twenties and asked if I was on drugs. Anyway I told him I wasn't( I'm not on the ones he was thinking about) started doing cardio 4x's a week at 30-45 minutes a session on the eliptical or bike. And four weeks after I started which was four weeks after my last shot I was 120/72. I would give cardio it a shot but seeing a doctor and getting something might not be a bad idea just to play it safe.

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posted May 17, 2000 03:53 PM            

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I still have a very long way to go on this cycle......my last shot will be in mid July. The sust is just now really starting to take effect....which is when I noticed the increase in bp.

I'll try the cardio and give some thought to a doctor....but at $500 for a visit (due to my insurance problem), it will be a long thought.

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posted May 17, 2000 04:35 PM            

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Hey man know what you mean about bp, I am in the third week of my first cycle. Yesterday morning at work my face got real red and I got hot, went next door to Walmart, they have a bp machine there and mine was 196/95. Hell the Doc is always talking about how low mine is usually around 135/68. By mid day mine had dropped to 144/84, think I took in to much sodium. If you find something to keep it low let me know...

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posted May 17, 2000 04:46 PM            

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Hey guys,

Most of the time cutting sodium and doing cardio helps me keep my pressure below 140/80.

If not, Ive had good luck using Dandelion as a natural diuretic. Within four days I will lose up to 10lbs of water and my pressure goes right back down into the normal range.

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posted May 17, 2000 05:31 PM         

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4-6 grams of L Arginine per day could help. A little extra potassium, magnesium and vit. c may also help. Good luck

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posted May 17, 2000 05:36 PM            

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Those are some funk-eeeeeyy number, are you sure. That seems way off, I think you would have a slammin head ache and feel like shit.

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posted May 17, 2000 06:14 PM            

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Let me clear up a few misconceptions here.....first, what is so "funky" about those numbers? There is nothing "funky" or funny about them. I monitor daily, and average for the past 3 days is:

day 1: 196/101
day 2: 176/96
day 3: 176/97

Never did I state that I felt like Mary Poppins and life was dandy......that I was free of headaches, constant fatigue, and generally not feeling well. Perhaps some more research on your part would be beneficial to understanding that these numbers are very possible, and highly likely when you combine pre-existing hypertension and anabolics.

If I present myself a little harsh, rest assured that is not my intention. However it's my opinion that you should have a firm grasp on the subject prior to advising someone else they need to get educated.

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posted May 17, 2000 06:45 PM            

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Hey no didn't mine any harm but, I never heard of anyone running that high. I had a guy last year get slammed with 480volts and thats only time I have ever seen numbers that high. The docs were freakin out and spent 5 hours workinhg just to get his BP down. That why I was concerned. I don't know maybe thats normal for a cycle I just shit when I saw those numbers.I am not on a cycle, but get mine checked all the time and have never been over 130. Hey Ill edit post, wasn't slammin anyone.

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posted May 17, 2000 07:38 PM            

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antecdotal evidence only, because I do not understand the underlying physiology. My BP drops substantially while on ECA, due to the asprin, I believe...

Puc

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posted May 17, 2000 07:43 PM            

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Hey bro I am on fina and 125mcg cytomel per day, my blood pressure is high, not as high as yours but my resting pulse is 118....hahaha I think its funny I don't fucking care anymore, if I die so what?

LP

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posted May 17, 2000 08:48 PM            

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Okay heres my two cents worth again, my BP was 168/108, which is VERY High I went to my DR again and they checked out my BP and asked me point blank how high I thought it was at the moment, so I told 168/108 and they freaked out because I was right on the money again. I know my body really well, and I can FEEL when it's high, I was putting in 60 hour work weeks for three weeks straight with no time to relax, so my Dr said one of three thing is gonna happen, a stroke, a heart attack, or a nervous break down from the stress, he was ready to put me on a month of medical disability, because I was about to explode, and it was obvious to any one who knows me, it was that bad, so I'm back on Lopressor, a beta blocker, doing mild cardio,and am scheduled for a treadmill stress test and full EKG, until then I'm not to do any more overtime which I'm not going to do any more because I'm salaried and don't get over time any way, I have just stopped trying to be a hero for my customer's and I have drawn up the lines of my personal life and set boundries with my employer who does n't want me keal over dead.
So my BP is now 138/75 and I feel much less stressed out now, I'm on an anti depressant and off cycle. I really thank god I cut back at work, and am taking my lopressor every day 50 mg, with 150 mg serzone. My life is a lot less stressful, and I feel like my old self again. Calcium and magnesium are a good natural treatment that helps keep your BP down too. So take care bro and keep your stress levels at a minimum bro, The bro who got fucked by there employer should freaking call an attorney and see if the negligance of the human resources dept can be grounds for sueing them, or at least fire the persons who were so derelect in their duties to allow such a thing to happen.. best wishes bro's o steel...

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posted May 17, 2000 09:04 PM            

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The only advice I can offer is this: "If a man represents himself in court, then he has a fool for a client so....If a man treats himself does that mean he has a fool for a......patient? Think about it!!!!
Remember: "What does not kill you will make you stronger!"

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posted May 17, 2000 09:07 PM            

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My increase in BP is because of my cycle. Pre-cycle i was 135/80......now I'm 176/97 on average. I just need to attempt to control my BP until the end of my cycle....7 weeks away.

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posted May 17, 2000 09:11 PM            

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Jimmy......perhaps you need to review my original post a little closer. I'm not treating myself because it's what I want to do......unfortunately there is no other option open to me at this time.

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posted May 17, 2000 09:31 PM            

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First, try and see a doctor, at worst case scenario, dont pay the medical bill til later, they will bill you for it anyhow in mail usually. Just go in and tell em your situation with your blood pressure. He will prescribe some meds, either a beta blocker, calcium channel blocker, alpha blocker, or some diuretic.
If you wont do that, then just go buy some diuretics(over the counter at pharm. or at health food store) yourself and make sure you are drinking enough also. Keep stress and sodium down to a minimum and do some light cardio every day.
Good luck.

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posted May 17, 2000 09:35 PM            

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I may have missed something SSMAN. Why don't you just go to a doctor. I don't mean the company doc, just pick one out of the phone book and pay for a one-off consultation? If your BP is really that high you'll walk outta there with script in hand after just 1 visit. How much could it cost?

Strokes and heart attacks really do happen to people like you all the time.

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posted May 17, 2000 11:17 PM            

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YODA.......this is the kind of shit I'm talking about

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posted May 18, 2000 07:00 PM            

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Que??

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posted May 18, 2000 07:21 PM            

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Bro,
You really should go to the doctor, ask around area hospitals for a "family clinic".They charge what you can afford to pay and if you are eligible you can become a charity case and pay nothing.Here are some things to try in the meantime.1)light cardio-walking/bike everyday 20-30 min. eat more if you need to to gain mass.
2) salt only affects peoples BP in 10% of cases, and going to low on salt can min. gains.
3)increase your fiber intake to min.30gms/day and reduce fat to less than 20% Kcalories.no more than 20 gms of sat fat/day.and less than 240mg cholesterol/day.
4)if you can't find anyway to get to a doctor, try taking aldactone(a mild potassium sparing diuretic) and if that hepls but does not get it below 139/89,then
try low doses of a calcium channel blocker like Dantrolene or Cardizem/Diltazem. Only take the CCB after your workout and cardio because it may make you feel lethargic and will inhibit muscle contractions.Also a CCB may actually increase your AS gains because by relaxing the muscle it reduces the muscles demand to do work and leaves more energy for building muscle.Good luck, cuz at a BP that high you are going to stroke someday while doing heavvy lifting like squats.Manana...

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posted May 18, 2000 07:24 PM            

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if your close to mex. go across and get TENORMIN 10.00 for 100 TABS take one a day

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posted May 18, 2000 07:53 PM            

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I'm far from qualifying for free care because I do have a lofty gross income. Without going into explicit detail and going through my personal portfolio, I am not willing to pay for health care that should be provided for me without charge due to the careless actions of mentally impaired employee in comp and benefits. I have consulted with my doctor on this same issue in the past.....and he doesn't feel that I'm at risk of a stroke or heart attack at my age. The problems associated with high blood pressure may present themselves later in life......that is why I'm looking to control it. Actually my BP was at a record low for the week after last night's workout (168/82). I am investigating a few alternatives.......I have friends who are in the medical field that I may ask for assistance. For now I don't wish to confess AS use to business associates......so that is something to fall back on for emergency only. A doctor doesn't write me a script for AS.......so I can educate myself and take care of my BP on my own as well.

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posted May 18, 2000 10:24 PM            

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sounds like you have a pretty good head on your shoulds ssman...im just going to tell you this once...first...get yourself your own bp device..omron makes the best, preferebly a manual pump with a cuff around your arm. This is the most accurate for the novice. This will allow you to take control of your monitoring at your own convenience and exclude any outside stressors giving you a more accurate measurement...make sure you get a large enough cuff (very important)...restrict salt intake...some people are salt sensitive and this can really make a difference...for me it doesnt. Aspirin does thin the blood but exerts no effects on overall BP...period. As for herbals and supplements...Vit C will not lower BP. You may try indirectly thru sedatives ie. valerian. Unless you want to get into biofeedback which you probably dont...just try to relax and not stress too much about things.. this will keep your pressure down...expecially if your sympathetic branch of your nervous system is sensitive. Oh yea...do not decrease your protein intake...i dont know who told you that but dont do it...no need to. The more you worry about your BP the more it will snowball into something serious.. You will be amazed how much it will drop if you just dont worry about it...If you are one those that will need pharmacological treatment dont worry..its now big deal. If you are sympathetic sensitive, a beta blocker will be your first line...not a CA channel blocker, diuretic like these other fools told you..no offense...if not, your best bet would be an ACE inhibitor or Angiotensin 2 blocker which also has some sympathetic antagonistic effects. Im tired of rambling, plus im not getting paid for this...good luck. And dont worry, your BP is not that bad.

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posted May 19, 2000 01:55 AM            

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Ripp,
1)I don't know if you have ever taken a Beta-Blocker or not, but I tried it for migraines.
You get "0" intensity in workouts because it blocks stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system ie it makes you feel tired, can't do aerobics, and you bloat like a
m&^%$@f#[email protected] like aldactone,HCTZ are one of the first things a primary care provider prescribe.THEN they go to beta-blockers, calcium-channell blockers, and diuretics like Lasix. Lastly they goto ACE- inhibitors like Zestril/lisinopril.Why? Because of the side efffects and you don't need an ACE unless you have CHF(congestive heart failure)ACE inhibitors suppress the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system which basically makes you piss out fluids and electrolytes.If he wants to retain electrolytes and ie a anabolic state- can't do much if you run low on potassium and sodium- thenn he definitely should NOT use an ACE inhibitor.
Lastly Ripp,it was damn rude for to start throwing out insults to try to bolster your credibility by undermining the advice of others.I think everyone here was trying to be constructive and you just made yourself look like an ass.If you got a different opinion back it up with fact or at least reasonable deduction and not juevenile quips like "those fools" or morons or your favorite put down for the day.Manana...

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posted May 19, 2000 02:07 AM            

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This has been one interesting series of posts. I'm gonna save it.

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posted May 19, 2000 03:09 AM            

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MEDITATE, WHACK OFF A FEW TIMES A DAY, LISTEN TO CLASSICAL MUSIC, GET A DOG, or anything to help relax you. Just reading your post sounds like your a high strung stressed out individual. Stress is the number 1 killer.

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posted May 19, 2000 03:15 AM            

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Ripp,
1)I don't know if you have ever taken a Beta-Blocker or not, but I tried it for migraines.
You get "0" intensity in workouts because it blocks stimulation of the sympathetic
nervous system ie it makes you feel tired, can't do aerobics, and you bloat like a
m&^%$@f#[email protected] like aldactone,HCTZ are one of the first things a primary
care provider prescribe.THEN they go to beta-blockers, calcium-channell blockers, and
diuretics like Lasix. Lastly they goto ACE- inhibitors like Zestril/lisinopril.Why? Because
of the side efffects and you don't need an ACE unless you have CHF(congestive heart
failure)ACE inhibitors suppress the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system which
basically makes you piss out fluids and electrolytes.If he wants to retain electrolytes
and ie a anabolic state- can't do much if you run low on potassium and sodium- thenn
he definitely should NOT use an ACE inhibitor.
Lastly Ripp,it was damn rude for to start throwing out insults to try to bolster your
credibility by undermining the advice of others.I think everyone here was trying to be
constructive and you just made yourself look like an ass.If you got a different opinion
back it up with fact or at least reasonable deduction and not juevenile quips like "those
fools" or morons or your favorite put down for the day.Manana...

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posted May 19, 2000 03:30 AM            

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Listen numb nuts...you are right i should not have called someone a moron for trying to give advice...but there is so much crappy advice thats it is driving me crazy (Yours included). As for u...true education and not a PDR in your lap would make me happy. But I do give you a C- for your response. I have a doctorate in Clinical Pharmacology and could talk for days about any Prescription drugs in your PDR. Im just trying to help some people out without getting too frustrated while learning as much about AS use as possible.

This might help u out Kattdaddie and whoever else might be interested:

1.Sixth Report of the Joint National Committee on Detection, Evaluation, and Treatment of High Blood Pressure (JNC-VI). Arch Intern Med 1997;157:2413-2446.

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posted May 19, 2000 08:06 AM         

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My Bp was once 200/120, I freaked just looking at the white doctor kilt, so I got me my own cuff- oversized for obese people.
Measured it daily and guess what it went down to 130/80; relaxing and whatever you have to do to calm down will do it, and also if you use a cuff that is too small (like my docotor that idiot) your readings will be way off. So my advise like others on top: Get your own fat fuck cuff

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posted May 19, 2000 08:14 AM         

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white docotor kilt? WTF I meant that white lab coat, anyway I feel high BP at least in my case is like insomnia, it feeds itself, once you know you have a problem, its very vicious, the more you worry the more you get it

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posted May 19, 2000 08:34 AM            

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it seems you know your prescription drugs pretty well... there are a number of mail order sites which sell non narcotic drugs w/out a prescription.... i remember one that had procardia on it....im no BP expert so im not reccomending that particular drug... if you are interested.. e-mail me and ill try to find that site again

VK

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posted May 19, 2000 02:03 PM            

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Ripp,if you have an PHD in Pharm,please provide some rationales behind your advice.And I think you and I just differ on opinion,I would NEVER give somebody on a board like this advice if I didn't have "real life" experience with.I didn't expand on any advise because I'm not gonna talk in medical jargon,and don't throw out your credentials, you could jeopardize your license bro.I appreciate the return to civility Ripp,thanx.Manana...

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posted May 19, 2000 03:04 PM            

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Gobler......this really has nothing to do with relaxation or stress. Let's try not to confuse sounding "high strung" with being well educated and holding a discussion in open forum. Many people have been extremely helpful by posting valuable information in replies and in email. Some other replies make me sit here and stare at the screen totally amazed that some people are......uuumm......not so well educated.

I established a medical contact and I'm scheduled to make a visit today. I'll keep you all posted how it turns out.

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