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xrciseink Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 173) |
posted May 17, 2000 09:28 AM
 
After all this money we have spent on this WAR ON DRUGS. What do you think can be done to stop this cycle of arresting our own people. "THE US NOW HAS 3X AS MANY PEOPLE IN PRISON THAN ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET." ONLY 25% are incarcerated for violent crimes. The rest are for drugs. -NBC NEWS, March 2000. 40years of this cycle???? I'm tired of my taxes supporting such a program. What do you think? IP: Logged |
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Kahn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 161) |
posted May 17, 2000 10:08 AM
This post will have several rants, it should be good. I think America has too may rules. People stand up to challenges and too many challenges will take your mind off the task of sticking to what's important. Most of the issues we deal with are not important, it's just press manipulation and distraction. Take Elian Gonzale for example: who gives a shit. If it was a mexican adult in L.A. his ass would've been busted so quick it wouldn't have mattered. It's an issue because it was Cuba and a bullshit political burning/turning point issue As for seriously violent crimes...DEAD'EM. IP: Logged |
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Fish Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 86) |
posted May 17, 2000 10:16 AM
This subject makes me too excited to even comment. I hate the way things are being run. Most powerful country in the world, and so fucked up. Land of the free, as long as you follow the 8 million rules. Okay I made a little comment. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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rocky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 213) |
posted May 17, 2000 10:31 AM
hehehe I think those fuckers should spend more time going after the real criminals like the murderers, child molesters, wife beaters and people that commit crimes against other people. Taking drugs is something you choose to do to yourself, your own body. We should stop letting the fucking government babysit sit us. I would legalize all gear, pot, GHB and drugs similar to these, as they are not typically your drugs that spur you to commit criminal acts to get more of it. They're not as addictive as some of the harder drugs. I think harder drugs like coke, heroin and crack and shit are so addictive that you'll resort to crime to get more, and therefore maybe harm someone else in the process. That's why I wouldn't legalize those types of drugs. So open the fucken prison gates and let out all the people convicted with gear, with maryj, and other softcore drugs and fill their places with shitheads that should really be there .. heheheh IP: Logged |
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Juicer56 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 249) |
posted May 17, 2000 01:06 PM
i think we should all(majority os us pop.) round up and put taxes on strike and see how long the drug laws hold up IP: Logged |
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bluesy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 179) |
posted May 17, 2000 01:15 PM
i think im gonna move to usa, bigger chance getting away with rape, than to be a source of A/S  Bluesy IP: Logged |
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 279) |
posted May 17, 2000 02:15 PM
Man the whole country is run by politics. If cracking down on ass pickers will get a vote, thats what the law goes after. The problem in our country is that we have too much freedom and too many rights. Let me temper that by saying that in general, a criminal has more leverage, more rights than a victim. The system is not perfect and if anything was done incorrectly, the convict goes free to perform another crime. I think if we had tougher laws on specific things like murder, rape..etc that we would be much better off. Murder someone in Europe and you're done, no chance of getting off because the evidence was not handled properly. Steal something in Saudi and you loose a hand. Then you have certain classes of people that think that the rest of the world owes them something, they believe that they are held down and must turn to crime for a living. Then...well enough of this. I guess as long as some people act like animals, they should be treated as such. BPP IP: Logged |
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die_hard842 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 405) |
posted May 17, 2000 02:43 PM
First the US is the most Policed country in the world, second we have the most laws in turn that means the most people imprisoned. do not fool your self prisons are big business and that means big money it has nothing to do with justice if it did then athletes would not be going to jail for trying to get big, we have the most laws against our own right to choose for ourselves. but this keeps the courts, jails, police, and many other agencies rolling in the money, I have made the choice to nolonger live in the US and I will never live there again, I have lived in cuba and the US says Cuba is bad but I find that i had more freedom there then in the US. so I wonder who the Bad guys really are?? IP: Logged |
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SlaveMaker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted May 17, 2000 02:53 PM
Bigpappapimp: What a stupid fucking thing to say, "We have too much freedom and rights" IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 237) |
posted May 17, 2000 02:54 PM
I could go off for an hour. I will just say this, our founding father never had this in mind. They created the most perfect govermental system ever. They were smart and gave us the perfect tools to run a country. In turn ever fukker with a cause or scam has turned to make his buck. We need throw out all the laws and taxes and start over. The smartest men in the world gave us the constitution and thats all I would keep. By the People for the Peopel - Amen. I'm done IP: Logged |
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Fish Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 86) |
posted May 17, 2000 03:03 PM
well spoken Cleaner. I will vote for you this election. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macavoy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 53) |
posted May 17, 2000 03:25 PM
OK, Bottom line is the U.S.govt isnt perfect or the legal system. It is however the best in the world,hands down!! Not an extremist but love it or leave it?? Pretty much.. We have so much oppurtunity and freedom for everything (financially,religiously,socially,etc..) dont ever take that for granted!! Dont forget the hundreds of thousands of people who have died to keep us free. Yes we are capitalists and have a hard on for prosecuting drugs. There are valid arguments for this. The premise of many laws and much order is why we are the greatest country in the world. Societial laws extend much deeper than self improvement drugs. IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 237) |
posted May 17, 2000 04:10 PM
I have had a family memeber fight in ever major war this country has ever had. My family settled here prior to the pilgrim's! yes that right - I can prove that and no I'm not a native american. So I don't want to here this shit about dying for country. I will give my life for this country without a thought!!! Period. Look I'm one of those people who has enough - thats why I'm a block captain, vice pres. of my neighborhood group. I moved back into the city and I am making a change in my little world. There is hardly a day that goes by that i'm not asked to run for alderman. You do these things for the young and old and you do it because you care. But when uncle pounds me at 44% taxes, It makes it realy hard and when the mother are walking on washington to take my guns and I have never committed a crime I shit. It's just fukked up!!! Yes you are correct it is the best, it could be a whole lot better, if some fukkers hadn't abused it. Sorry done ranting! [This message has been edited by Cleaner (edited May 17, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 360) |
posted May 17, 2000 04:47 PM
This country waists so much damn money on drug incarceration and the "war on drugs" its sad. If we stopped this stupid war on drugs we wouldnt be worried about homelessness and starving children or social security.....such a fuckin waist its a big joke. I dont know about your guys' neighborhoods or towns but the war on drugs hasnt changed mine..... IP: Logged |
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1 Mistake Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 124) |
posted May 17, 2000 08:15 PM
OH BOY...This hits home  I just got out (hence my name) for a conspiracy charge for MDMA and I might have to go back in...There are so many people locked up who should be FREE.Its ALL about politics and$$.Prisons are HUGE money makers.Serious criminals get out and drug offences carry a Mandatory Minimum? PLEASE..gimme a break.DRUGS are big business for EVERYONE.Half the drugs get here with the help of law enforcement!! I could rant on 4 ever about this..........J IP: Logged |
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bgriff Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 17, 2000 08:36 PM
prisons suck!!! IP: Logged |
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Testdog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted May 17, 2000 09:35 PM
F**K The Law enforcement Agencies and the Law IP: Logged |
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Rich1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 307) |
posted May 17, 2000 09:55 PM
I could on for hours on this subject, our countries government is so fucked up. I want every one to remember the one unescapeable fact of the 20th century, politics and politicians have in general killed more people around this planet then any plague, any desease, car wreaks, drunk driveing, gang activity, all crime and every other cause of human death ever created by human beings, OUR government has invented more weapons of mass destruction then any other form of government on the face of the planet, and all in the name of peace, so the next time you vote just remember all the blood on the hands of our political system and the evil sick mentally ill pricks who are destroying our bill of rights. Sorry for the rant but every word is the truth and you all know it...If D.C was blown off the face of the planet tomorrow I wouldn't miss it at all, in fact I'd want to thank who ever did it. It's just my hummble opinion and it's a protected right still, though that might change soon...The way things are going..It makes me sick to see those lying bastards destroy our bill of rights....It's evil, just plain evil. [This message has been edited by Rich1 (edited May 17, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Romeo Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 86) |
posted May 17, 2000 10:25 PM
i definitly agree they call this the land of the free but if you think about ...the government is trying to protect us from ourselves ....such as drugs...and such as that dam seatbelt law(i really hate that 1)..the government is going to turnaround 1 day and is going to legalize all drugs ..so that they can regulate and make a profit...fucking peices of shit...why cant they just do what everyone wants them to do ...focus on the real scum out there ..the ones who have absolutly no purpose of being alive ...the ones who do not work the ones who have 5 kids with 5 wives and do not support them ...the ones that rape,ravage and steal...but instead they look for a way to fuck with the ones who are good peeps its just a fucked up situation... peace romeo romeo must die----i shall rise IP: Logged |
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 279) |
posted May 17, 2000 10:52 PM
Slavemaker...excuse me while I pull my cock out and slap you with it. You further the point of how the bottom rung of our society looks for the easy way out of things. Is it a criminals god given right to be set free over a paper pushers error ? Yes I think we have too many rights...too many lawyers who look for pity in others. The perfect society would be any eye for an eye. DO I wish I lived in another country...hell no. You have obviously never been to another country and seen how stiffer penalties for crimes control all of the animals like yourself. Do you think people are caught in drive by shootings in Germany ? Or young children raped and killed in Switzerland ? I'm sure in your little world, these are common and acceptable...not mine. I'll give you a perfect example, you ass wipe. A few years ago I was almost killed by a drunk driver, rear ended me at a traffic light. The guy was so drunk he could barely stand up. He was arrested and I pressed charges. Funny thing happened, the bat mobile had failed to properly calibrate the blow machine....the guy walked. I pay a ton of money for taxes and work my ass off every single day. I'll be god damned if I will sit by and let some monkey lawyer let dick heads like you play in my playground. Let me finish by saying this, if you ever flame me like that again, I will go out of my way to make your life a living hell. Pull your scum bag head out of your ass. BPP "As nasty as I wanna Be" IP: Logged |
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BROCK Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 110) |
posted May 17, 2000 10:58 PM
WE AS ADULTS ARE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO MAKE OUR OWN FUCKING DECISIONS. I DON'T NEED A BABYSITTER. LET THOSE OUT OF SHAPE, SHIT-ASS POLITICIANS LICK THE BACKSIDE OF MY BALLS AND LIKE IT...OOPS..LOOKS LIKE I HAD AN EHEDRINE RAGE AGAIN. SORRY. IP: Logged |
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KidRock Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48) |
posted May 18, 2000 12:17 AM
THIS IS HOW IT IS- BELIEVE IT OR NOT! First off, the media in the US is controlled by the government. Sure, they want the big story, but to do that, they need connections. Favor for a favor. The politicians use this to their advantage to leak BS to the press so they can confuse the public and run with it. They get to control the confusion, and that is the first thing the CIA teaches. Confusion is the key to escape. ANY CITUATION. This tactic is the main reason why the US government gets to continue this fake war, they manipulate peoples opinions. The US Drug Czar to Mexico was replaced for dealing with the Cartel. Bill Clinton appointed this Czar and referred to him as a close friend. Amazing how the press never picked up on that eh? Secondly, if anyone thinks the US is the most free country to live. I GUARANTEE they have never lived anywhere else.....sure there are a lot of worse places to live, but the examples you use are exactly what is always shown on US tv. There are a lot of other, smaller countries and Islands that BLOW THIS COUNTRIES BS, but the US won't admit that, and sadder, you believe them just because US TV says so. Third--I agree with X, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE PEOPLE HERE??? After 40years how can you still believe the BS your government is shovelling you. It's simple, BigD got it right...It's money. The US is the DRUG CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Columbia, Mexico......they are just the warehouse. There is NO WAY YOU CAN CONVINCE ME that with no coke plants or poppies around here that there is not government involvement with the distribution of this stuff. There is just too much around. As long as these DEA idiots keep believing that the government is not using them to perform a malicious cycle of arrests, there will never be change. Arrest the street dealer and go down the ladder, never up. This keeps the circle going, and as long as these DEA idiots are arresting they get their raises, which our tax money pays for by the way. A great system? Than how come a black man has 6X the chance of going to prison for the same crime as a white man. (By the way, I'm white.) Yeah, I can sale drugs,break the law, and even murder, and as long as I have money I can get off. O.J. proved that. Finally, the conspiracy law is set up to the point where someone can get you arrested by hearsay, and the mandatory sentancing of this law is permitted to meet the same penalty as a kingpin....the jury decides to convict you, than they never hear the sentance. The judge gives it to you weeks later...so if the jurors feel that the person is guilty that is fine, but in many, and I mean MANY cases, particularly in ALABAMA, the jurors have felt that 1 year probation would be sufficient punishment, where as the judge for some reason decides to hand out the maximum sentance -2 consecutive life sentances.....Yeah, that's justice. 2 weeks later, so the jurors have no idea what the sentance was, but if they did, they would never have let the sentance happen!! The US people are very uneducated, and just don't care as long as it is not them, so they go to jury duty and just expect the system to work.....thats what the Germans and Jews did when Hitler was in power. They blindly followed him and his BS. The US can search your car for no reason now, confiscate whatever they want, take your kids away, destroy your house, and best of all, put a gun to your head while doing it, yet they want to stop gun violance....I think that the people of the US need to wisen up about the DEA of the USA....Drugs grow wild in Columbia, Mexico, yet the drugs seem to be flooded here...those Mexicans and Columbians must have a lot of vehicles to get that much here......Well the elections are about over, so you wont here of any more drug busts til the next cycle....Even Elian is old news now....All I am saying is lead yourself....follow, but cautiously....there is a time to follow and a time to lead, and the WAR ON DRUGS is definately a time to lead....just my opinion with a little factual experience and knowledge. IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 856) |
posted May 18, 2000 01:19 AM
BPP sorry to hear about what happened with the drunk driving thing. But I disagree with you. It is better that 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent be incarcerated. Our system of justiec is based on that principle. Ignore that, and we're god-damn Iran. It has now been shown that the state of Virgina executed an innocent man in 1992. That's fucking tyranny. Not only that, but we don't have enough rights. Our rights are constantly being further infringed. For example - it is becoming damn difficult to legally get a gun for personal use, UNLESS YOU'RE A CRIMINAL. Second amendment a fucking cornerstone. Additionally, we aren't even free to decide what we put in our bodies. Drugs will get you mandatory jail. That's what this whole post is about. Free speech, supposedly our number 1 right, is severely limited, lest someone be "offended". BPP I'm not attacking you personally. I don't know you. But if you seriously think we have too many rights, maybe you should come out of the cave you live in. Matt PS SLAVE MAKER email me. [This message has been edited by MattTheSkywalker (edited May 18, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Natural Wonder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 262) |
posted May 18, 2000 01:26 AM
"Instead of war on poverty they got a war on a drugs so the police can bother me" -Tupac Another preacher IP: Logged |
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ironmaster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted May 18, 2000 05:33 AM
Not to try to speak for BPP or anthing, cause he is obviously capable of speaking "clearly" for himself, but I understood him differently from some of the brothers. I thought he was saying that those guilty of the type of crimes we should be concerned with (murder, rape etc.) have too many loopholes available to them, while those of us exposed to gear related problems face mandatory sentences w/o the same chances to skate. Anyway, note to self - don't piss off BPP IP: Logged |
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xrciseink Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 173) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:02 AM
I think what BPP was saying is that "WE HAVE TOO MUCH FREEDOM" because of this, our system is manipulated to the degree of injustice. Thats what this war is about. Confusion and manipulation. I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE MEDICAL USE OF MARIJUANA WAS VOTED FOR AND PASSED IN 4 DIFFERENT STATES.....Maryland, Texas, California, and Washington DC.....(these were the only states they decided to vote on this issue) the government was so sure the US people would reject it, but when they found that every vote was in the 80%+ majority to pass it, they stopped it. When the time came to act it into law....OUR US SAID NO!!! Just because they said so!! THATS PURE DICTATORSHIP!!!! Yet no one in the US even cares because the TV has hypnotized the US people. It's drugs, what do we care that our system is being dictated. What they did with that law is illegal in this case!!! It passed!!! What the fuck? The reason Marijuana will never be legal is because the CARTEL is actually controlling top DEA and GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. If that law would have passed, it would have created many loop holes for people to legally obtain it. $367 million dollars was made on mary-jane alone last year by the Cartel. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO LET THE US LEGALIZE IT? If I were the Cartel I would never let it happen....the minute someone tries to legalize it the "CONFUSION" that KidRock talked about is used to manipulate....bottom line is we voted on a bill and it passed, so what gave the government the right to just say "no"??? If OJ can get off for murder, and the President can lie to a grand jury, and a bill that passes into law gets refused becasue they say so....YEAH, COME ON PEOPLE THE US IS NOT THE COUNTRY IT SAYS IT IS. I still cannot believe a law was passed and than they just feel they have the right to not let it pass....totally illegal, but for some reason the US people have not even questioned it, and this is the reason this country is hopeless. The corrupted government officials will continue this 40year old war if we don't stop it. They say marijuana is a dangerous narcotic.....what can it do? Make you sleep or laugh? It sure won't black you out like alcohol, and if it causes cancer, than why are'nt cigarettes illegal. I just can't understand why the US people are not fighting to turn around this program. It is sad, very sad. IP: Logged |
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the mechanic Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 185) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:07 AM
BPP, Cleaner.....I totally agree with your line of thinking. I truly believe that the constitution was the best thing politicly that has ever been implimented, but it has been covered with layers and layers of shit. It`s one true purpose is so clouded now that our founders thoughts and beliefs are long lost. I am all for much stiffer penalties and it is time for all these free ride welfare fucks to get off their asses ( but that is a whole different topic). They are bread into the " you owe me" way of thinking. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 237) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:10 AM
My take on BPP's post was that the pentally for committing a crime is not severe enough to make most people stop and think. Someone talk about Island paradise, while in the Bahamas I was scared of F-up. They hung a New York city cop thier a couple years ago for killing a guy in a bar fight. You get one trial and one appeal, all in one year. At the end of that year you are hung on a rope, the same rope that they used for everyone else. Rape, 17 years hard labor. The guy told the mother on the tour bus there baby girl could run naked and they had no worries, no one was will to risk it. And it is hard labor not these fricckkin day camps we call prision. Our prisioner have more going for them in the system than they have out on the street. If you want to curb crime make the punks fear the law. I do not for one minute think all these idiots in prision shouldn't be there. IP: Logged |
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sammythebull Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted May 18, 2000 10:21 AM
It is apparent to me that there are alot of us out there that think the same of our current government system. I share your veiws and most of my friends share my same veiws. So my question is if there are so many of us out there why don't we unite to make ourselves heard. Every election is all about status quo republicans & democrats. It sounds like we need a party of our own. But the problem is it takes large amounts of money to campaign and I don't think a reform party would get the sponsorship of corporate america. I believe the first step in getting what we want is to throw out current campaign finance laws. Make donations illegal and give candidates an equal amount of tax money to campaign. Also the media should be legally forced to cover every candidate they should all get equal air time. This would be a big step in the right direction and it would eliminte special interests in our government. Sorry to rant here guys maybe this topic belonged on the chat board. Latter IP: Logged |
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die_hard842 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 405) |
posted May 18, 2000 01:11 PM
Keep things in prospective, Laws are made based on economics (sorry for the spelling) not for justice, I will have to repectfully disagree with BPP i have been all over the world and in my business deal with many countries, the US is a policed country they make the choices for you (based on the monitary gains of many agencies) I have walked the battle field for 3 US Campains so I can say that I payed my dues, at 37 years of age I have learned a great deal about the US's motives and it is sad!! one fellow said something about the seat belt law, well that law was passed not to protect you but to save the state money because if you get in a reck the state does not want to pick up the tab when your insurance runs out, so knowing this you will better understand why most laws are passed, yes i believe when you violate the rights of another person then you must pay the price, but we all have the right to make are own choices whether some one thinks they are right or wrong it is not up to any person to tell me how i live my life, as long as i do not hurt or violate any other persons rights. the US is not as great as you are made to believe, I have found more freedom and opertunity in other countries BY FAR AND NO ONE TELLS ME HOW I LIVE MY LIFE!! FREEDOM IS JUST A DREAM NOT REAL IF IT WAS THEN i WOULD BE ABLE TO SELF MEDICATE WITHOUT THE GOVERMENT TELLING ME HOW WHEN AND WHY, NO OFFENSE TO OTHERS BUT fUCK THE us AND i HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THIS I DID PAY MY DUES AND I ALSO WILL NEVER LIVE UNDER THERE NAZI TYPE CONTROL AGAIN!! IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 459) |
posted May 18, 2000 01:25 PM
I HATE THIS COUNTRY WITH ALL MY HEART. OUR HISTORY IS NOTHING BUT LIES AND COVER UPS. THE FIRST CHANCE I GET TO MOVE TO A FREE COUNTRY YOU CAN BET I WILL TAKE IT. THE ONLY CHANCE THE US WILL EVER HAVE AT BEING A FREE COUNTRY IS TO BLOW IT UP AND START ALL OVER. FUCK I HATE THIS PLACE. ------------------ [This message has been edited by moe dank (edited May 18, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Francis Drake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
posted May 18, 2000 02:10 PM
I agree with everyone saying that we should be able to make our own choices about what to put in our bodies, but in some ways it is better that AS are illegal. When you think about it... we work very hard to make our bodies stand out. If steroids were legal, anybody that just all of a sudden decided they wanted to be big would just go out and get some. It would just kind of take away the edge that many serious bodybuilders have over the common Joe. I'm NOT AT ALL saying I am for the banning of steriods, but it is just another point of view to look at it from. IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 343) |
posted May 18, 2000 03:36 PM
well my friends if you hate your country like I do, do what I did, get up off your bitching asses and leave, so now Im in peru for 2 years, you know, you dont know how lucky you really are leaving in the states, when you see a 3year old kid begging for food at 1 in the morning you will no what I mean, yea ok you could buy gear otc, so what, its not everything, there are people here that would sell there body to get to the states, and they do...just think abit, everytime I go home, I hate coming back, but Have a biz to run, someday Ill head back...peace to all IP: Logged |
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die_hard842 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 405) |
posted May 18, 2000 04:26 PM
Animal, there are just as many starving and begging kids in the US, there is a price for freedom, life is a tough deal every where, we just have to suck it up and deal with it! IP: Logged |
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josuburi Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 8) |
posted May 18, 2000 04:37 PM
I agree. America's justice system is the best, but definately at the same time the most f**ked up. What's not right is my bro has been locked up for 13 years doing life and he didn't kill or even hurt anyone. Armed robbery. Is that worthy of a life sentance? IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 856) |
posted May 18, 2000 06:25 PM
Well, I guess I did see BPP's response a little differently than most of you, but I still get pissed off when people say "we have too many rights". Would anyone else really like fewer rights? There are about 200 other countries you can go to in order to find fewer rights. No one is stopping you. BPP, our rights are not god given. They are constitutionally given. Our rights are not protected by divine will, they are protected by the government. As such, the government has a responsibilty to all citizens, even accused criminals. Those accused of a crime are afforded the right to a fair trial, including proper handling of evidence. If that wasn't a right, cops could just manufacture evidence against people they don't like. Bros, these are not new opinions. Thomas Jefferson said, "The US has the worst form of governement therer is, except for all the others". Matt IP: Logged |
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hardrock Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted May 18, 2000 07:57 PM
I agree with all of you who say legalize drugs like gear and other soft drugs that don't create addict that rob cheat and kill. The problem is that the gov't makes too much money off those laws. They'll never get rid of them. Can you imagine how many gov't jobs would be lost due to legalization.Billions I bet. We live in a police state where you can only do what they let you do . Not what doesn't hurt other people. They don't give a fuck about that. I signed the petition, but the problem is you can sign all the petitions in the world and it aint gonna change a fucking thing.Home of the free , my fucking ass. IP: Logged |
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weldwiz1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted May 18, 2000 08:27 PM
all they try to do is turn the honest person into a criminal. fuck the system!!!! IP: Logged |
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 279) |
posted May 18, 2000 09:46 PM
Atleast someone here gets what I was saying.....Ironmaster, cleaner,xrciseink...mechanic. My thinking is like this, each person is a world unto himself, as long as your world doesn't effect someone elses world, I don't care what you do. Your rights as a citizen should not impair those same rights of mine. I have no given right to force my way of life on you or to require you to make adjustments to accomodate me. I do not wish to live in a police state or have any form of governing body conduct my life. But I fully support the ability of government to freely act on our current laws, that we created. Due in part to our flawed legal system, criminals are almost above any law. Using gear is illegal, I can accept that fact. If I get caught, I'm guilty. If I drink and drive and hurt someone, I'm guilty. Most of our 'stupid' laws were created because there are alot of stupid people out there that do the wrong thing. SHould I have to jump thru hoops to buy a gun ? Hell no. But should some low life piece of dog meat be able to walk into a corner store, buy a gun and kill the store owner ? I don't know the age of any of you but I can remember when I was alot younger when it was legal to walk around town with loaded weapons. We don't live in the wild wild west anymore, the scum of our society have learned how to take advantage 'our world' BPP IP: Logged |
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George Spellwin Administrator (Total posts: 226) |
posted May 18, 2000 10:12 PM
Gentlemen, I have gotten a few unhappy emails on this post, and so I would like to ask that we try just a little harder to be gentlemanly in our discussions. Even when they get heated like this one. Now I know that everyone did not mean to use the F word quite as much as they did here. You see, when you use it this much, it loses its punch. I almost never use it. I�ll bet you would be shocked if I did Also, we can debate a topic, without getting ugly. SlaveMaker, I know you did not mean to call BigPapaPump all those names. And I know you did not mean to say those things about Arabs. You would be surprised, but when we analyze the traffic patterns on the site, we have more than a few Arab bro�s who come here to get big too. And BigPapaPump, I know you have way too much class to let something someone says to you get you so upset. You always set such a good example for our other visitors. One tough mother, George IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 285) |
posted May 18, 2000 11:54 PM
You guys should go to decriminalizesteroids.com and sign the petition. And George, can you put up a link on the top of the discussion boards to decriminalizesteroids.com? Or even a banner? Cause anabolex and some other sites put up their banner. Any help is better than no help. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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George Spellwin Administrator (Total posts: 226) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:56 AM
Jay, I would be happy to work with them. Please have them call Sean in our office. ------------------ George George Spellwin
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Karate guy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 276) |
posted May 19, 2000 11:04 AM
Seeing that real crime rates are actually dropping, our ankle grabbing polititians have to continue to fund their Military-Industrial-Prison garrison state so they have to create new criminals by creating or redefining the laws. What harm would it really do to legalize AS? Or even other prescription stuff? What do they think, that some guys are gonna roid out and start pickin up cars and throwin em at the cops or what? Heroin, crack, angel dust, shit like that have no place and should remain illegal. IP: Logged |
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mikecsa Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 13) |
posted May 19, 2000 12:08 PM
my two cents worth: this aint a free country anymore and if i could have things my way i would secede from the union,just like my family did back in the good ole days! mikecsa IP: Logged |
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Ubermass Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 4) |
posted May 19, 2000 12:16 PM
i bet if the south won things wouldnt be the way they are. 2 things changed this country allowing women to vote and the damn hippies IP: Logged |
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bigsexy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 193) |
posted May 19, 2000 12:20 PM
fight the power weve gotta fight the powers that be IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 237) |
posted May 19, 2000 12:32 PM
Sorry George. I know one of the rules is profanity - sorry. Well just to get you guys going, last night on one of the news shows, there is agroup petitioning congress to set-up a retirement community for lab monkeys (chipanzzee's). Now I'm no prick and i feel for the little fellas. I just can believe they want 30,000,000 taxs dollars to do it and it looks like they will get it! It just happen while the dip dunk were doing all of this AID expriements they were mixing the monkeys up and didn't realize that might get it on. So now they have way to many ( forgot the number was to busy losing it on the 30,000,00 number ) that they don't need anymore. I'm sorry put them down, to many people could use help before them. They even brought out Jane Goodall to talk. UUUUGGGGHHGHG IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 856) |
posted May 19, 2000 01:34 PM
This deserves its own post. I saw that too. Tax payer dollars for that. I see "Moe Dank" talking about leaving - shit I'm a veteran and I may have to go soon if we start allocating funds for a chimpanzee retirement community. Where are you headed Moe? Australia, maybe? Matt IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 237) |
posted May 19, 2000 01:50 PM
I'll post it in the chat board. People will shit! IP: Logged |
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KidRock Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48) |
posted May 19, 2000 07:06 PM
Wow X, this really got the ball rolling....I agree with George Spellwin however, we need to discuss this like gentleman....The wonderful thing about this country is we can try to fight and change it. Maybe we should all get together and try. A lot of great points, and I hope that some of the unfriendlies take some of the rants to heart. I pray everyday that my cousin gets out of jail. He would not want me to write about him, so I will just say this. I know of a guy who murdered someone 4 years ago. He is out on a technicality....my cousin did nothing close to this. He will be in jail for 6 more years.....If a person does a crime, it is wrong for one to never serve a day who comitted the exact same crime, and another to serve 7 years....we need to stop this. Still growing (mentally and physically) IP: Logged |
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pizza man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted May 19, 2000 07:14 PM
ubermass, i would be real carefull how you use the word hippies!!!! treat everybody the way you want to be treated IP: Logged |
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denmaur Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 141) |
posted May 19, 2000 07:33 PM
Yeah Ubermass, We gave women the right to vote and now they have this crazy idea that they are equal. LOL IP: Logged |
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GOWZER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted May 19, 2000 10:55 PM
i totaly agree with bpp that this country has way too much freeDOOM.fu--ing criminals walk away from a crime because a fat dunkin donut lovin cop forgot to read him his rights!!!a criminal should have no rights.you guys are all complaining that juice is illegal and drugs are illegal and its all a govt conspiracy.BULL SHIT!!!ITS THE SAME OLD STORY GIVE SOMEONE AN INCH AND THEY TAKE A MILE.people arent ready for freedoom yet, this world hasnt matured enuff theres still too many asshole that abuse the law and cause harm,than hide behind some freedoom of rights bullcrap.and to the person who said a 1000 guilty men free is better than 1 innocent guy getting locked up,thats just pathetic. sometimes this world has to make sacrafices .dont let your pussy emotions get in the way of the grand sceme IP: Logged |
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KRKash Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted May 19, 2000 11:02 PM
The US has the most laws but the most violent crimes,I think the country should be run more like the way Europe is(especially the way the US deals with roids), there is such less crime that police in some countries don't even carry guns,they don't care if you go to fast on their damn roads, people are much more chill over there, I don't know whats wrong with the US, to,many people walking around with a stick up their ass,if I could speak another language I would not be living here [This message has been edited by KRKash (edited May 19, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 856) |
posted May 19, 2000 11:41 PM
Gowzer, The thing about "1000 guilty go free being better than 1 innocent person being locked up" is not something I just thought of. THAT'S THE CORNERSTONE OF OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IN THE U.S. Innocent until proven guilty. Evidence mishandled should not be admissible. Gowzer, this is what you can do: think really hard. I will help you. Here we go: If someone's charges are dismissed on a "technicality" that means STATE SCREWED UP. If there were no provisions for proper procedure, the cops could just manufacture evidence against anyone they don't like. Those "technicalities" exist to ensure consistency and fairness. Criminals shouldn't have rights? You ignoramus. Everyone in this country has rights under the constitution. That's where rights come from. it starts out "We the People", not "We Gowzer and BPP". There are procedures for changing it. Stupid idiotic rants are not among them. That's why we're different than Iran. "People aren't ready for freedom". What the hell do you mean by that? We've been here for several hundred thousand years. If you ever read any history you will see that crime has always been a problem even since the earliest civilizations. No amount of harsh punishment has eliminated it. Hard to believe there are really people who think we have too many freedoms. Matt [This message has been edited by MattTheSkywalker (edited May 19, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Roy Batty Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 98) |
posted May 20, 2000 08:45 AM
First off, the idea that we have "too many rights" is insane. The brilliant men that founded this government did so as a cure for the evil of tyranny. It's not the country/government that has gone rancid, it's the moron/control freaks (T.Jefferson warned us about lawyers over 200 years ago) who we elect that allow that to happen. A little over 2 yrs ago I was accosted at an So I know where BPP is coming from, but still disagree. Let me relate another story that happened at a party. I wandered over to a group of people, one of which was a cop in the vice The reason we have the Bill of Rights is that Law enforcement is a HUGE business and until Anyone see the pic of the wannabe commando that went in to get that little boy in Miami? This buttmunch could not carry water for an Airborne-naileating-hide your daughters-Ranger, and I dare say spit shine my jump boots. But he is issued military gear to enforce the law on citizens of the US. Bottom line is our Bill of Rights is being eroded every day. And I am heartened to read that many of you feel as strongly as I do about it. Rant Over. RB IP: Logged |
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alwaysniceguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted May 20, 2000 03:52 PM
Here is one for ya. Just come and try to take my Remington 12 guage you peckers!! And, the little 22 Marlin I first got, and am saving for my boy, come and try to get that one too! I agree with some of ya! The Perp. has more rights than the Victum! And check this, the damn FDA licenses Tobacco, then Clinton and his dogs sue them! WTF is up with that? Alcohol and SUV's are next. Just wait and see. Talk about a scam to get more $$!! And to listen to that dick Clinton, talk about the surplus, and how most Americans would waste it if it were to be given back to them!! SHIT, its my damn $$$ in the first place and you took too MUCH!! And AS....if that is legalized, I believe it will cost us way MORE!!.. Talk about consumption tax! You never hear on the nightly news about some gal having a RoidRage and stabbing her kids and husband do ya? Never see kids in the street shooting over Gear do ya? I have been many places, and the US is the best, hands down! I do agree, sometimes, its dicked up! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 285) |
posted May 21, 2000 01:06 AM
George, i'm going to tell the lawyer to contact you regarding the banner or the link to decriminalizesteroids.com. Thanks for trying to help! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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