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Anabolic Discussion Board Clenbuterol...female inquiry
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millgirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted May 15, 2000 09:07 AM
Been on Clen for several days now. Im not really feeling anything? What is it soppose to feel like when its working? Im on two tabs a day. My weight is 115 , body fat is 17%, trying to get that way down, obviously. On my first cycle ever started at 100 mg of primo depot. Thought that clen would have made me more energetic at the gym this morning. I felt sleepy. I can sleep on the stuff. I did bike 8 miles yesterday and ran 6 MPH for 1 mile...plus my other weight training I do, two times a day. Im on the right track thats for sure. But what about this clen??? Can someone tell me what is the proper name for T3, I would like to research it more? [This message has been edited by millgirl (edited May 15, 2000).] IP: Logged |
ectomorph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 254) |
posted May 15, 2000 09:15 AM
Clen raises your body temperature, hence increased calories burned. There are also some MINOR anticatabolic properties, but you've got that covered w/the primo. Take your tempeature to see if the clen is working. 100-101 is a/b right. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Bunny55 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 41) |
posted May 15, 2000 09:27 AM
Does not have the same feelings as an ECA stack for giving you energy. I always get so tired on clen and sleep really good compared to ECA. Side effects I have had are shakes, headaches, and I have to really push to make it through the work outs on the second week of use. Any others with similar side effects?? Bunny IP: Logged |
Twisted_Steel Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 59) |
posted May 15, 2000 09:31 AM
For MillGirl: Cytomel is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid but a thyroid hormone. As a substance it contains synthetically manufactured liothyronine sodium which resembles the natural thyroid hormone Tricodide-thyronine (L-T3). The thyroid of a healthy person usually produces two hormones, the better known L-thyroxine (L-T4) and the aforementioned L-trilodine~thyronine (L-T3). Since Cytomel is the synthetic equivalent of the latter hormone, it causes the same processes in the body as if the thyroid were to produce more of the hormone. It is interesting to note that L-T3 is clearly the stronger and more effective of these two hormones. This makes Cytomel more effective than the commercially available L-T4 compounds such as L-thyroxine or Synthroid. The manufacturer of the German L-T3 compound, Hoechst AG, ascribes the following characteristics to its Thybon drug, making it clear that L-T3 is superior to L-T4: "The synthetically manufactured thyroid hormone, L-trilodine-thyronine (L-T3), included in Thybon, in experimental and clinical testing has proven to be 4-5 times more biologically active and to take effect more quickly than L-thyroxine (L-T4)." In school medicine Cytomel is used to treat thyroid insufficiency (hypothyroidism). Among other secondary symptoms are obesity, metabolic disorders, and fatigue. Bodybuilders take advantage of these characteristics and stimulate their metabolism by taking Cytomel, which causes a faster conversion of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats. Bodybuilders, of course, are especially interested in an increased lipolysis, which means increased fat burning. Competing bodybuilders, in particular, use Cytomel during the weeks before a championship since it helps to maintain an extremely low fat content, without necessitating a hunger diet. Athletes who use low dosages of Cytomel report that by the simultaneous intake of steroids, the steroids become more effective, most likely as the result of the faster conversion of protein. Until recently, Cytomel was used by bodybuilders and female bodybuilders, in particular-on a daily basis over several months to remain "hard" and in good shape all year round. Believe us when we tell you that to a great extent several bodybuilders who are pictured in "muscle magazines" and display a hard and defined look in photos, eat fast food and iron this out by taking Cytomel. The over stimulated thyroid burns calories like a blast furnace. Nowadays, instead of Cytomel, athletes use Clenbuterol, which is becoming more and more popular. Those who combine these two compounds will burn an enormous amount of fat. The next time you read that a certain pro bodybuilder approaching a championship competition is still eating 4000 calories a day, you will know why. Cytomel is also popular among female bodybuilders. Since women generally have slower metabolisms than men, it is extremely difficult for them to obtain the right form for a competition given today's standards. A drastic reduction of food and calories below the 1000 calorie/day mark can often be avoided by taking Cytomel. Women, no doubt, are more prone to side effects than men but usually get along well with 50 mcg/day. A short-term intake of Cytomel in a reasonable dosage is certainly "healthier" than an extreme hunger diet. As for the dosage, one should be very careful since Cytomel is a very strong and highly effective thyroid hormone. It is extremely important that one begins with a low dosage, increasing it slowly and evenly over the course of several days. Most athletes begin by taking one 25 mcg tablet per day and increasing this dosage every three to four days by one additional tablet. A dose higher than 100 mcg/ day is not necessary and not advisable. It is not recommended that the daily dose be taken all at once but broken down into three smaller individual doses so that they become more effective. It is also important that Cytomel not be taken for more than six weeks. At least two months of abstinence from the drug needs to follow. Those who take high dosages of Cytomel over a long period of time are at risk of developing a chronic thyroid insufficiency. As a consequence, the athlete might be forced to take thyroid medication for the rest of his life. It is also important that the dosage is reduced slowly and evenly by taking fewer tablets and not be ended abruptly. Those who plan to take Cytomel should first consult a physician in order to be sure that no thyroid hyper function exists. Possible side effects such as medication are described in the package insert by the German pharmaceutical group Hoechst AG for their compound Thybon: "Exceeding the individual limits of compatibility for liothyronine or taking an overdose, especially, if the dose is increased too quickly at the beginning of the treatment, can cause the following clinical symptoms for a thyroid hyperfunction): heart palpitation, trembling, irregular heartbeat, heart oppression, agitation, shortness of breath, excretion of sugar through the urine, excessive perspiration, diarrhea, weight loss, psychic disorders, etc., as well as symptoms of hypersensitivity." Our experience is that most symptoms consist of trembling of hands, nausea, headaches, high perspiration, and increased heartbeat. These negative side effects can often be eliminated by temporarily reducing the daily dosage. Caution, however is advised when taking Cytomel since, especially in the beginning, the effect can be quick and sometimes drastic. Athletes do not use the injectable version of L-T3, this is normally used as "emergency therapy for thyrotoxic coma." Those who use Cytomel over several weeks will experience a decrease in muscle mass. This can be avoided or delayed by simultaneously taking steroids. For the most part, since Cytomel also metabolizes protein, the athlete must eat a diet rich in protein. L-T3 can usually be found quite easily. 100 tablets of 0.05 mg each cost approx. $50. The product by Schein Company, according to the dealer catalog, with the same substance concentration and quantity of tablets, costs $30. It is unlikely that there will be fakes. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 387) |
posted May 15, 2000 10:04 AM
It may be time to bump up your clen to 3-4 tabs a day. You will not get the nervous feeling inside but you will get the shakes on the outside ( your hands particularly). Take for another week and lay off, substituting with ECA for a week or two. Don't know if that is necessary while on Primo so you may ask around.You will find your energy level elevated once you start the ECA. As long as you are on the clen and primo, you should get fairly good results with T3 (Cynomel) and remember to keep your protein high. T3 three is no respector of muscle. It will burn everything in it's path because your metabolism is raised so high. Mrs. Guns IP: Logged |
millgirl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
posted May 15, 2000 10:20 AM
Thanks for the advice everyone! I have a slight headache, very little shakes, I dont seem like my temperature has elevated that much, I may bump up the clen to three a day. And Saturday begin ECA, no doubt. By then I will probably have lost all the fat I really need to , just a few more lbs. I went on my own from 126 to 115!!! So this (clen) is just to help out a little. Im really beginning to be bitchy and set off easily, any reasons why this could be: is it the clen/primo or LOW carb. Maybe Im training too hard. Hell, I dont know, just feeling tired and grumpy today! Thanks for your help! [This message has been edited by millgirl (edited May 15, 2000).] IP: Logged |
Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 387) |
posted May 15, 2000 11:30 AM
Yes, indeed the clen is working if you are feeling that way. Also the carb depletion is a good cause for the irritability. I've said it before, but it's worth saying again: "A woman without food, is like a man without sex!!!!" Keep up the hard work!! Mrs. Guns IP: Logged |
Texas Guns Moderator (Total posts: 387) |
posted May 15, 2000 11:39 AM
BTW, don't let the guys get to you. IP: Logged |
WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 832) |
posted May 15, 2000 12:08 PM
I agree with Mrs. Guns...you said your only doing 40mcg daily correct? You need to find what your personal tolerance to clen may be. Everyone is different on this. Try to bump to 60-80mcg daily and see if that helps. In some cased alot of people actually are getting what is desired out of clen but dont really notice much. I myself stay in a constant light sweat using 100-120mcg a day, and slight shakes. Your on the right track, just may need a bit higher dosage. Later, WCP IP: Logged |
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