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Twisted_Steel
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 52)
posted May 14, 2000 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twisted_Steel     Edit/Delete Message
Just wanted to present an option to the gentlemen here and for those teens new to the sport. Its about paying your dues. This is a concept in bodybuilding expoused by those individuals who waited patiently to reach their genetic potential, late in their 20's before involving themselves with AS.
Its amazing how many young teens and men in their early 20's are depriving themselves of their natural potential by locking themsleves into anabolic growth only.
Brothers, specially the young ones please take this into consideration, the incontrovertable reality behind AS. Once you start, gentlemen you will CEASE to make natural gains. You gentlemen 17-25 think about this carefully.
Pay your dues, be patient keep healthy. Then when your peak has been reached. Your base will be so strong that the presence of AS will mold you into the champions you want to be.
You will never be smaller than your Base. Thats the real you. Thats the body we have to live with. Why not make it as strong as possible.

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matty
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 74082278
well said!! theres a kid on here asking questions about what gear to add to his GH cycle!, at 19yrs old!

felt like if i answered his post i would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor or something...


i thought that was sad just my .02$

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Jim Layhoe
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Layhoe   Click Here to Email Jim Layhoe     Edit/Delete Message
I am happy to see people who try to let others see the big picture,sure everyone fast
results but,if you stay in the game long enough,and then want to go on the sauce,it will work that much better.

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Jim Layhoe
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 25)
posted May 14, 2000 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Layhoe   Click Here to Email Jim Layhoe     Edit/Delete Message
cant seem to type today?

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Twisted_Steel
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 52)
posted May 14, 2000 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twisted_Steel     Edit/Delete Message
Bump

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The Ranger
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Ranger   Click Here to Email The Ranger     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 67366885
A-FUCKING-MEN BRO!!!

Ranger

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Badtemp
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Badtemp   Click Here to Email Badtemp     Edit/Delete Message
Why wait 5 or 7 years? start when you are 21,and after 2or 3 cycle's you will have tons of mass that you will keep.I think 2 years of training is enough.After that it gets much tuffer to make huge gains naturally.

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MS
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MS   Click Here to Email MS     Edit/Delete Message
BUMP

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SlaveMaker
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SlaveMaker     Edit/Delete Message

There is another train of thought regarding this, "wait until you've reached your genetic peak" matter. It's regurgitated horse-shit more than it is
any proven fact. Those regurgitatng the horse shit speak as though they are scientist working in laboratories with data backing up their vomit. Reality is they just read it on another board or a Duchaine THEORY, or who the fuck ever.
1.) Who the hell ever knows when they've gotten to that point?
2.) Some beleive the younger individual is more primed or receptive to growth.

I'm in no way advocating punk ass teeny boppers juice use. I do however know of a few people that used as teens that established a "baseline of muscle size" they seem to have kept.
I think the ones who didn't go balls to the wall with very long term use and used light weight dosages that did no long term dammage have an actual edge.

And finally I know of a few that did everything they could get their hands on for as long as possible that have an assortment of problems. One of the mos common to see just at a glance is Fatassism.

Think about it though: Given a man in his late 20's to early 30's as apposed to a young man in his teens to early twenties;
which would obtain the best gains and whose hormonal system would more easily bounce back?..?


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buckwheat
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for buckwheat   Click Here to Email buckwheat     Edit/Delete Message
Im relatively new to the board, Ive been watching for nearly two months, and Ive been wrestling with this issue for some time. Ive been training very hard and eating very well for the past year and a half, with great success, a short time, yes I know. To date, Ive taken my 20yr old 5'9 frame from 150 to 180-185 <9% bf. My long range goal being 215-220. Even before I started training I was ablsolutely fascinated with ergogenics in general, AS to be specific, but as of late I cant stop reading,researching and planning my first cycle. I always told myself I would wait until 25yrs old or 200 lbs, whichever came first. But Ive been considering a cycle within the next 5 or 6 months, but have reservations in regard to my future bodybuilding potential. Id hate to limit myself with AS when I know that with time,moderation and care, they can be of great help...Id love to read more on how long most of you guys waited before taking the plunge. The temptation is just killing me here...Thanks.

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2Thick
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted May 14, 2000 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2Thick   Click Here to Email 2Thick     Edit/Delete Message
That is why I recommend Primobolan, Deca and other non-testosterone products for novices. They do not affect you hormonal balance, therefore you do not have to worry about limiting your natural potential.

Jon

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SlaveMaker
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 15, 2000 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SlaveMaker     Edit/Delete Message

How can you say primo or deca doesn't upset the hormonal balance?
Any sex hormone will upset the hormonal balance. If not, that would be because the shit was bunk.
I say, rookie or oldschool,hit the testo.
Geezsh

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T Bone
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 15, 2000 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T Bone     Edit/Delete Message
I started weight training at 13 yrs old and waited until I was 31 yrs old to juice. And I'm glad I waited. I took advantage of my natural ability to put on muscle and started at 31 with clean receptors and getting good results.

T Bone

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qui
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 15, 2000 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for qui   Click Here to Email qui     Edit/Delete Message
Jon, I would love to see an abstract from Medline showing the basis for this ?

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Jon:

That is why I recommend Primobolan, Deca and other non-testosterone products for novices. They do not affect you hormonal balance, therefore you do not have to worry about limiting your natural potential.


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Vlad67
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted May 15, 2000 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vlad67   Click Here to Email Vlad67     Edit/Delete Message
It would be best if you let your body reach its natural base before taking AS especially in the sport of bodybuilding and power lifting where you can compete into your 50s...there are many in other sports i.e. football, wrestling that are interested in AS for the obvious benefits...... are you going suggest to an offensive lineman who is 22 and a senior in college looking to go pro that he is too young and should wait for his genetic potential? you have a very small window in some sports that in most cases will be closed by the time you are 24-25.....
not that i am advocating anything but ... people should make an informed choice and i see how some would choose not to wait...


VK

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Twisted_Steel
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 15, 2000 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twisted_Steel     Edit/Delete Message
Vlad, hell yes excellent point man. Elite athletes without question are on a different stage. My post was directed at, hmm how should I phrase this, the "painfully average" bodybuilder weightlifter. The teen or those in the early twneties who are not IFBB, NFL, WWF, bound. Great point though.

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gearseeker
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 15, 2000 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gearseeker   Click Here to Email gearseeker     Edit/Delete Message
Reality check guys!!!!!!

Nobody knows what thier natural potential is unless they go to the grave without ever having used steroids. Period.

I personally waited until I was 27 to use steroids. I now give myself a serious kick in the ass for not using them sooner.

Steroids are more effective the younger you take them. Granted, if your some college bound pencil neck chess club geek, Im not recomending you juice at 16 to impress the ladies. But if your planning on playing college sports or getting involved with bodybuilding or powerlifting make your decision to use drugs as early as possible.
The earlier you use them the more progress you will make.

Anyone disagree? Then check out the ages of some of the new IFBB pros. Consider that Arnold, with all of his genes, started juice at 13 and he couldnt hold a candle to the current pros.

Natural potential my ass! To juice or not to juice - that is the only question.

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