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jocko
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posted May 14, 2000 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jocko     Edit/Delete Message
Written by, William Llewellyn
Author of Anabolics 2000. www.anabolics.com/_private/antiestrodrugs.asp

copy and print for your library.

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jocko
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posted May 14, 2000 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jocko     Edit/Delete Message
In other words, info on Nolvadex and Clomid,

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Harleyguy
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posted May 14, 2000 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harleyguy   Click Here to Email Harleyguy     Edit/Delete Message
A good informative read,thanks.

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bollocks
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posted May 14, 2000 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bollocks   Click Here to Email bollocks     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 28672700
thanx bro

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ChefRski
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posted May 14, 2000 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChefRski   Click Here to Email ChefRski     Edit/Delete Message
Great Post!!!!!!!


Chef

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OMEGALOS
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posted May 14, 2000 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OMEGALOS   Click Here to Email OMEGALOS     Edit/Delete Message
Dude, nice post, great info. I read the whole thing. The interesting thing I found was that the author states that Nolvadex is better as an anti-estogen AND a testosterone booster! I thought Clomid was better as a booster of natural test? I quote from the article..."just as Nolvadex can be used effectively to increase the synthesis of testosterone in the body at the conclusion of steroid use (though admittedly Nolvadex may be slightly more potent in both regards)
So perhaps we should be using Nolvadex eod throughout and at end instead of Clomid, even though they are close companions of one another.
What do you guys think?

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tooprimo
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posted May 14, 2000 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tooprimo   Click Here to Email tooprimo     Edit/Delete Message
thanks for the info

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jocko
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posted May 14, 2000 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jocko     Edit/Delete Message
Omegalos, that would be a good question for E2 or 2Thick. What i've always read was Nolvadex hinders gains DURING a cycle and Clomid doesn't.I'd like to know their thoughts on the last 7-sentences in the Nolvadex and Clomid section.

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jocko
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posted May 14, 2000 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jocko     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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Triple H
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posted May 14, 2000 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Triple H   Click Here to Email Triple H     Edit/Delete Message

I have used Nolvadex more than Clomid (it's a rare find in Canada). I was under the impression that Nolvadex hindered your gains while juicing, so I only use it when my nipples are sore. I spoke to a couple of pro bodybuilders about this, and they said that it doesn't hinder results as bad as people say it does. (Maybe this is because they use higher doses than me).

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macrophage69alpha
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posted May 15, 2000 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
I have seen no clinical, pharmacological or anecdotal information that points to novaldex stimulating the production of endogenous testosterone. Please keep in mind that all the studies cited involve female subjects- clomid has been used with great effectiveness in the restoration of fertility in both men and women. I have seen clinical, theoretical and anecdotal evidence that clomid is an excellent stimulator for the production of endogenous testosterone.

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tessai
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posted May 15, 2000 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tessai   Click Here to Email tessai     Edit/Delete Message
excellent write indeed but I see a glaring oversite regarding nolvadex- it inhibits IGF-1 production and quite well I might add. As you may well know without that stuff who cares how much test you have you will never ever grow! Dig a little deeper.

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