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msg Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted May 13, 2000 01:57 AM
  
1. why should one diet to get a low bf% before going on a mass cycle? i see a lot of posts to this effect but have never understood the reasons why besides decreasing the likelyhood for stretchmarks. you can cut up after the mass cycle anyway with proper diet and aerobics. 2. why do so many suggest a cutting cycle for those people with moderately high bf%'s. the way i see it and i may be totally wrong is this. what determines how "good" a lifter will look is not how much fat he carries but rather his lbm to fat ratio. 3. why is it better to eat "everything" while bulking up to ensure the highest possible weight gain (including fat) and then to cut the fat off? i personally have more trouble loosing fat than i do at gaining muscle so would i be better off doing a mass cycle but eating cleanly on say an "anabolic" or "cyclo-ketogenic" diet? that way i would gain mostly muscle and may even reduce my bodyfat % with a little cardio on a few days a week. these statements above are not necessarily strange to me but i have been wondering why i time and time again see these. i do not disagree, i simply would like to know the biological or physical reasons for their validity. thanks a bunch guys, msg IP: Logged |
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Badtemp Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40) |
posted May 13, 2000 02:04 AM
silence in bliss- especially when BADTEMP is silent. [This message has been edited by macrophage69alpha (edited May 13, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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efigy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 147) |
posted May 13, 2000 02:26 AM
hey bro, those are all valid questions and deserve to be discussed. as to the response you got well... Yo badtemp, maybe you need to check out ssman's post. ------------------ "conan, what is best in life?" IP: Logged |
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msg Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted May 13, 2000 02:36 AM
BADTEMP!!!! ok bro. reasons you are less intelligent than pond scum and just want to flame someone: 1. those were NOT dumb questions asshole. 2. E2's newbie post list absolutely nothing relating to my questions except research which is the what i have been doing for a long time now. 3. i have never seen answers to these questions, only the statements themselves. 4. i am only a "newbie" b/c i have not posted much but i do read a LOT! the number of posts do not mean you are a knowledgeable person necessarily! hell i could bump all day if i wanted to. 5. let's take a look at some of your posts that i have quoted for your reading pleasure just to show you what a dumb piece of pond scum you really are: "Your liver will explode when you take one tab of d-bol. BEWARE. " "Tyson is just demon possesed. thats all. " "Nice tits." "just give them and a call and claim the stuff. lol." (in reference to a cuctoms letter) "Packers suck COCK. DIPSHIT. Go down to your local police station and they will have a list of avail anabolic's they carry." "NEVER SIGN FOR ANYTHING.and when you get it put return to sender, and set outside the door sort of hidden. and just wait 2 or 3 days if your that pussy." "Dog Balls your full of shit.Thats impossible for non juicing." "what's the best way for a begginer? Jab Or push slowly?" need i say more? you seldomly have any good questions or advice. just a big mouth full of profanity! you would serve yourself well by not flaming someone simply bc they only have a few posts on this board or whatever reason that you seem you have to stoop lower than an uneducated reform school reject, jerk! and lastly, i am EDUCATED with a physics degree from loyola university and a chemical engineering degree from tulane university. peace, and sorry you other bros had to hear this but it really pisses me off when someone that almost never gives any valuable knowledge to the board wants to get off by flaming someone. IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 524) |
posted May 13, 2000 02:56 AM
bro, im thinking the reason people cut up a bit, is primarily cosmetic, but could be a bit for ease after the cycle as well. noone likes to do cardio, at least i dont. so the easier it is to cut up after the better. grubbing as much as people will do on a bulk cycle will put on some fat so cutting up beforehand will obviously lessen the blow after. plus you dont want to hit a full on cutting regimine just after a cycle, you have to let your body normalize. if someone goes from a high calorie, anabolic diet, to a low calorie or just below maintenance diet with cardio, it could affect the gains youjust got. unless of course you are taking something to help combat catabolism. but im speaking from a 8 weeks on 8 weeks off type standpoint. of course if you can keep your bf down while getting enough cals to grow sufficiently, by all means do it. i always think of it as one or the other. bulk now, cut later. seems like you wont have to split your concentration. just concentrate on growing, and then on cutting. just my thoughts on it. hope that helps a bit. any more thoughts? i like these topics. hehe IP: Logged |
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msg Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted May 13, 2000 03:32 AM
thanks bignate. bump for any more useful answers? IP: Logged |
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goldilox Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted May 13, 2000 04:29 PM
yeah I agree with the bro, concentrate on building than do your cutting.we all are different and bodyfat is alot more pronounced for some bros, but you have to build a solid foundation first, don't cut yourself short. IP: Logged |
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animal B Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 301) |
posted May 13, 2000 04:34 PM
hey my friend...great questions...any others e mail me IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 555) |
posted May 13, 2000 04:46 PM
Seems like alot of thought went into those questions. I don't agree with alot of the bros on the board. What's the difference if you put on 20lbs then cut and end up with 5 lbs of mass or you just put on 5lbs of clean mass. The old way of bulking and dieting isn't even followed by the pros any longer. They have to stay in shape for guest posing and higher contest schedule. Of course you will have to increase you caloric intake to build muscle, but if you do it cleanly you could keep fat to a minimum. IP: Logged |
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Kahn Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 120) |
posted May 13, 2000 04:48 PM
msg-good defense, here's my opinion. 1.- I'd have to say that most people have too much bf to begin with and don't want to get way over and have the extra time involved to get to the pretty stage. It'll be faster to display muscle if there isn't a lot of fat to remove. 2.- I think you answered it yourself. You're right about the amount of fat making or breaking your look. 3.- You eat everything to guarantee that every nutrient you need is getting in there. It isn't necessarily shovel anything you can in, just take in a large amount of calories, which is easier no with all the supplements available. Now--Can you make juice with a chem eng degree? It's time to open up shop, right here IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 524) |
posted May 13, 2000 06:30 PM
i agree with the saint to some degree, i just dont know how to do it that way. hehe. eating clean to grow is difficult enough for me to get enough cals, eating clean enough to grow and not put on bf seems like a bland diet that would be quite difficult to swallow, literally. but i would be willing to learn. i hate bodyfat. heheheh. IP: Logged |
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bstrong Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 182) |
posted May 13, 2000 07:15 PM
i can tell why i try lowering body fat and weiht before a cycle, i'm a big guy with history of blood prus. probs in the family, and fucked up knees so basiclly i do it to lower the possibelty of high B.P. and knee probs also hate them stretchmarks. IP: Logged |
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rippazoid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted May 13, 2000 07:20 PM
It all depends on your metabolism. if you are very lean to begin with and are a hard gainer it is ok to eat junk food here and there while on a bulk cycle but not everything in sight. the best thing to do is find your base calorie intake(in other words what it takes to maintain your current bodyweight for 1 week) and add 2-300 calories per day extra, this will ensure that the extra weight you are putting on will most likely not be fat or a relatively small amount if any. cutting cycles just the opposite 2-300 calories less than maintenance or keep the maintenance level and add more cardio. IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 555) |
posted May 14, 2000 02:00 AM
BIGNATE, I know what you mean. Eating clean and getting enough calories at the same time is hard to do. That's where meal replacements come in handy. Maybe I'll give George's new MASSMEALS a try. hehehehe Just got a plug in. IP: Logged |
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Anabolicum Mister Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 132) |
posted May 14, 2000 12:53 PM
Another thing I heard is that estrogen conversion is more easily accomplished at a higher BF level. This is only hearsay and I do not have the research to back this up right now (anyone else?). However, if you are prone to gyno you may want to take this into consideration. IP: Logged |
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