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CB38AC
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posted May 12, 2000 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CB38AC   Click Here to Email CB38AC     Edit/Delete Message
heres what i have in mind. I'm starting at 5'10 192 or so with around 15% bodyfat but thats a guess may be lower but not higher.
I plan to be around 225 8% when this whole plan is done.

week 1-5:: omna 750mg // 45 mg Dbol (polish)
week 6-10: omna 750 // 450 EQ (ganabol 50)
week 11-12. 0 // 400 EQ
week 13 :: start cyclofenil 600mg ED
week 14 :: cyclofenil 400mg ED
week 15:: clomid 50mg ED
week 16-19: PFG2 5ml ED
week 20-23: 350mg EQ // DNP OR T-3+ECA

What do you think?


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KANE
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posted May 12, 2000 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KANE   Click Here to Email KANE     Edit/Delete Message
Ill do the best I can for ya it looks like you did some homework. Heres what I would do: Shorten the test to 8 weeks. It seems like the EQ in weeks 20-23 is kinda floating
there by its self. It appears your using it to fight muscle loss. If you go with DNP you wont need it. If you use the T3 it wont be enough. If you decide against DNP then you may need a separate cycle for cutting JMHO

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[This message has been edited by KANE (edited May 12, 2000).]

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CB38AC
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posted May 12, 2000 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CB38AC   Click Here to Email CB38AC     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks I though 8 week also but E2 said with sust you should use 10 weeks. You are right the EQ in the cutting was meant for muscle retention. It a big undertaking so any help is appreciated.

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rippazoid
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 12, 2000 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rippazoid   Click Here to Email rippazoid     Edit/Delete Message
Looks good but it might be harder than you think to gain that much muscle and lean up that much at the same time. most competitive bodybuilders seperate the two.

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KANE
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posted May 12, 2000 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KANE   Click Here to Email KANE     Edit/Delete Message
Bro,
Now that I know you've spoken with E2 I can give you GREAT ADVICE.


JUST DO WHATEVER THE HELL HE SAYS!

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MattTheSkywalker
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posted May 12, 2000 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MattTheSkywalker   Click Here to Email MattTheSkywalker     Edit/Delete Message
Are you taking clomid throughout? I only see it that one week. If you're going to take Omna for 10 weeks you need to have clomid during that. You're not an HCG guy are you?

Omna stays in your system up to a month, so that's 14 weeks of having external test in the system - you need clomid during those weeks.

Also in a 23 week period, you could do an 8 week mass cycle (like weeks 1-8 in yours), then take some time off and do a cutting cycle.

Just some thoughts....

Matt

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CB38AC
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posted May 12, 2000 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CB38AC   Click Here to Email CB38AC     Edit/Delete Message
I am using clomid EOD 50mg and cytadren. I figure this cycle works becuase:
1: bulk quik with D-bol
2: sust really kicks in week 4 and week 5 EQ is started
3:EQ is known for cutting somewhat
4: Cyclofenil should really get my test production up
5: when everything is coming down PFG2 is throw in thus eliminationg the key crash period and solidifying gain
6: If I go with dnp its protien sparing and if not EQ will be used


I say this just to give you my reasoning in this long plan. I consider it a body rebuilding program not a cycle per say. All critisism is appreciated but I am really looking for holes in my logic above all else.

Thanks a lot gus this is a big step for me both financially and personally

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efigy
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posted May 13, 2000 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for efigy   Click Here to Email efigy     Edit/Delete Message
MattTheSkywalker:

cyclofenil is like clomid younger smaller more expensive, not as attractive brother.

(re: more expensive, small anti-estro, small test increase)

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"TO CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES, TO SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, AND TO HEAR THE LAMENTATION OF THE WOMEN!!!"

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CB38AC
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posted May 13, 2000 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CB38AC   Click Here to Email CB38AC     Edit/Delete Message
That extactly the opposite of everything I've read about it. It is 3X stronger from what I heard but I have no experience with it.

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The_Blond_Myth
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posted May 13, 2000 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The_Blond_Myth   Click Here to Email The_Blond_Myth     Edit/Delete Message
looks like the first pretty descent cycle posted on here, make sure that you have at least 2-3 weeks on the eq after ALL the test is out of your system. don't do eq for two weeks then stop when it takes 4 weeks for omnadren to clear out.

LP

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CB38AC
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posted May 13, 2000 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CB38AC   Click Here to Email CB38AC     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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CB38AC
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posted May 14, 2000 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CB38AC   Click Here to Email CB38AC     Edit/Delete Message
bump

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CB38AC
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posted May 14, 2000 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CB38AC   Click Here to Email CB38AC     Edit/Delete Message
I'm sorry to be doing this but i have to get more oppinions

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Deepsquat
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posted May 15, 2000 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deepsquat   Click Here to Email Deepsquat     Edit/Delete Message
I don't understand ....what do you want more opinions for....so desperatly.... you have already gotten help from E2 what more could you want...or what more would you believe?...If you are not going to trust E2 and your own research what more arewe going to be able to help you with?

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tessai
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posted May 15, 2000 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tessai   Click Here to Email tessai     Edit/Delete Message
looks lovely except for that useless crap from russia, that d-bol is just pure androgens. It will provide you with some agression but not enough to make it worth all the side effects it will bring. I would drop that stuff and never touch it, I only say this from having done so much of it my self earlier in life. It will give you nothing but misery!

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Jeff_rys
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posted May 15, 2000 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff_rys   Click Here to Email Jeff_rys     Edit/Delete Message
5 ml PGF2a every day, just like that ?
Wouldn't it be better to start with less and build up ?

Jeff

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