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 how to cut fat on a bulking cycle?
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pds132 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:21 PM
   i was wondering if there was any way to cut down fat while on a bulking cycle, i'm not trying to cut down alot but some. thanks IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:24 PM
My advice is to not cheat your body by attempting to cut and bulk at the same time. Regardless of how little you're looking to cut.....bulking is just that, getting bigger. You will take on some additional fat when bulking, but you will also put on greater (and higher quality) mass. Save the cutting for after bulking. IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 545) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:29 PM
pds132,You can keep fat and water weight down by eating clean. Stay away from sat. fats. Get your fat intake from flax or udos choice. Keep your cal. alittle over maintenance or you'll lose mass. What stack are you on? IP: Logged |
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Dexter Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 266) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:32 PM
I would agree with SSMAN's comments about bulking. The biggest regret I've had during my present cycle is that I just haven't consumed enough calories (including protein, I suspect). I've never been a big eater, and after 6 weeks I just slowed down packing in the chow - I think after seeing some fat that alarmed me. (Yeah, it sounds strange.) And I think it affected my gains, even though they're not bad, because I'm on a hellacious cycle. Still, afterwards, I'm gonna cut with Clen and ECA. So why didn't I eat like a horse when the timing was perfect? Lack of discipline, I suppose. I agree with the school of thought that you can't successfully bulk and cut at the same time. IP: Logged |
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thiassi Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 179) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:52 PM
What if you took cynomel with your cycle? Would the raise in metablism keep off the extra fat? L8R IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:01 PM
I have used cytomel before and didn't care much for the loss of muscle and strength. I personally will never touch the stuff again. I have used clen with great success, but never during a bulking cycle. I will bulk for 8-10 weeks, then hit the clen and do a lot of cardio. If you eat clean and push hard in the gym there is no reason why you can't reach your size/strength goals and get lean. Everyone seems to be in the search for that "miracle" drug that will do it all.....make you 3" taller, 300 pounds, 6% bodyfat, with a 12" dick. It just isn't going to happen  IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:08 PM
What you guys mean, you can't loose fat and build muscle at the same time? I guess my body doesn't know that: calories: maintenance level t3, t4, eq, eca, test, cytadren (great for water control and of course estrogen) clomid (same as cytadren morning cardio low or now carbs in am til workout (6:00pm), than high glycemic carb at and after workout, big meal in the eve, but no fat than. 300-400g of protein, 200g of carbs (as mentioned pm) My weight hasn't changed and I am getting ripped, so what does that mean, hmmmmmmm? IP: Logged |
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Slopain Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 109) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:09 PM
Like DEXTER, I to have a regret with reguards to my last cycle: I ate too cleanly, I ate a lot but I tried to eat way too clean, gains weren't what they should have been had I just ate evrything with protein in sight. My cycle before this one I ate all kinds of crap as long as it had a good amount protein I would eat it burgers,steaks,fast food anything and had great gains. Slopain IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:13 PM
Never did I make the statement that you can't burn fat and build muscle at the same time. What I did say is that you are cheating your body by trying to do both at the same time. I fought this battle for many years. I had a weight problem when I was younger so I was extrememly hesitant to eat too much. Every time the scale went up I thought the world was coming to an end. As a result, my muscle gains were slow at best. I made gains, but not like I could have been making. Now I eat....especially on a cycle, I eat A LOT!! My development has blasted off.....I am building a whole physique and breaking down barriers. This is the difference between a good bodybuilder and a great bodybuilder. IP: Logged |
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Will B.Huge Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 29) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:14 PM
this time of year is no time to be doing a bulking cycle in my books, yoiu might be abould to push 400 but the 175 pounder on the beach will make you look sick. IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:17 PM
No, actually I gained about 4 lbs in 4 weeks so far, and as mentioned I am getting ripped!!!! IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:24 PM
I'm on week 3 of a sust/reforvit/eq cycle and have put on 14 pounds. My strength increase is nothing short of incredible. I still have 7 weeks to go.......then I'll cut down by sticking to a clean diet, clen, eca, and cardio. After I finish that we can post side by side pics for the board to judge.....the body is brutally honest about which theory works best. IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:24 PM
Well, I guess you have to decide early on what you gonna call your cycle: bulk or cut. I will never overeat or take insulin (worst mistake as far as bb goes) It put on fat faster than I could buy new pants (I suppose the carbs that go with insulin use will do that) So now even if do a lot of test i will eat clean, very high in protein, yet lower in carb, that seems to have worked for me on the present "whatever" cycle. IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:27 PM
My offer still stands to put up my post cycle pic next to yours for judgement by our board brothers. SSMAN IP: Logged |
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jrdbad1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 86) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:34 PM
I agree that you have to decide on either a bulking or cutting cycle. I used to try to get ripped while bulking at the same time and my gains were o.k. but could have been better. The last cycles I have done and all my future cycles I ate everything in sight including fast food and all kinds of garbage. My gains have been much better even though I do put on a little bit of fat. It drives me crazy to put on the fat but I just keep telling myself I can lose it when the cycle is over. This works best for me. IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:36 PM
Water, I forgot 2-3 gal of water. I will not post any pics I'd like to stay Mr. Nobody. BTW It was hard for me to loose the fat I put on through insulin, u have to loose the fat if u want to compete, if u dont compete than dont worry about it too much IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:44 PM
ssman: how old are u? It is my oppinium, that as u get older, you will have to pay attention to you total caloric intake, even when enhanced, i do not subscribe to the new method of gaining weight by eating everything and than taking dnp to cut up, come on guys lets keep a little health in mind here. IP: Logged |
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ryry Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 93) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:48 PM
is there a way to bulk and just put on lean mass. i always hate the fact that when i bulk i lose my abs. i just came off one last week and i really miss my six pack  IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 11, 2000 04:51 PM
how do u loose the fat after the cycle, when u are the most catabolic, u want to diet? Then u burn your fast food muscles along with some fat, the worst time to diet is rite after a cycle, u got to take gear to diet, again this is my opinium. IP: Logged |
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ryry Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 93) |
posted May 11, 2000 05:12 PM
what do you guys think of a half and half cycle, say you go on a 10 week cycle. first 5 or 6 weeks, concentrate on bulking. then the last four or five, concentrate on cutting. i'm going to be on deca and winny, they are pretty versatile roids that can go both ways, its how i train and diet that will determine what i get. what you guys think? IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 11, 2000 05:53 PM
I really don't think that eating more than your caloric maintenance level during a cycle is a "new school of thought". If you refer to the writings of "The Oak" you'll find that this same theory applied to his bodybuilding style in the 1960's. It really seems like the 2 schools of thought here are: 1. those who are afraid to try this and are happy to accept sub-standard gains, 2. those who live by it and grow. I am 25, 6' 261 lbs, at 14% bodyfat. Some may consider 14% to be high, but I will allow myself to hit 14-16% when bulking. After my cycle I will find my way back down to 7-8%. I believe you are twisting my words again. I never stated that I would diet the day I stop my bulking cycle. Why must everything be one extreme or another. Bodybuilding is the art of mastering moderation and balance. I will gradually taper my calories after my cycle.....caloric cuts will come primarily from carbs and fat (which I tend to inflate during a cycle). I will add cardio back into my schedule in the early am....starting at 2 days per week and working up to 5 days per week. Removing your face from your pic will ensure that you stay "nobody". But if your theory is as wonderful in practice as it is in words you should have no reservations about competing against my physique. [This message has been edited by SSMAN (edited May 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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AY Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 88) |
posted May 11, 2000 07:58 PM
SSMAN's words ring true for me. I tried to eat cleanly on my very first cycle and ended up with semi-stuffed gains. From then on I ate everything in sight and didn't bother whether it was fast food or not and gained much more. I always believed that when I go on a bulking cycle, I try to gain as much bulk as I can, regardless of whether it is lean mass or not. Then I cut later. AY IP: Logged |
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BillyBadAss Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 61) |
posted May 11, 2000 08:42 PM
GUYS, IT REALLY ISN'T THIS DIFFICULT. EAT CLEAN, BUT EAT A LOT. I CAN EASILY CONSUME 4000 CALORIES A DAY WITHOUT STOPPING BY JACK IN THE BOX TWICE A DAY. TAKE SOME E/C/A, TOO. IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 11, 2000 09:00 PM
Once again I find myself not in agreement. ECA really has no place in a bulking cycle. Caffeine and ephedrine will do nothing for me but further spike my blood pressure and deplete every ounce of water that I take in. Focus attention on depleting water retention and cutting fat POST CYCLE. This board doesn't constitute the bible of the human body (although there are some of the brightest and knowledgeable people here).....study it, know it, understand your subject matter before you preach it. I'm not speaking only from my studies......I have applied these same theories to my own body. IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 12, 2000 02:46 AM
bump.....time to stoke the fire again IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 513) |
posted May 12, 2000 02:59 AM
eat clean. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Rich1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 226) |
posted May 12, 2000 03:03 AM
Okay bro, don't get disappointed about it, we all go through this shit, I gained 15 lbs when on and lost half of it when off cycle, it turned out to be exactly what I needed. My ab's are down to about 1 inch of fat, down from three inches of blubber I was carrying on my gut,at 44 I'm as lean as I want to be and I'm glad of it. So hang in there, try some deca or some EQ and see about how it hardens you up..best wishes... IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 12, 2000 07:55 AM
O.K, lets sum up: my thoughts for bulking are: do eat more than maintenance level, do eat clean, no fast food unless u are 18 years and have no bodyfat to begin with, lots of test, watch water retention, do not equate weight gain as muscle gain, lots of water, finish cycle with thoughts towards cutting; the 8 week clean out you have to maintain your caloric intake, do everything to keep your muscles (do a search on that subject....) than follow with a 'cutting cycle': for me that means still a lot of test with cytadren, eq, t3, t4, eca, d-bol (yes that too), aerobics (~20-60min/day, split preferable between am and after workout), I would like to try winny, but in my neck of the woods, there are too many fakes of this product, so i stay away; below maint. level calories, go up and down with caloric intake to not let body get used to the diet. I weighed 272, 6'4 7% bf before my conventional bulking, ended up at 305, 14% bf (did insulin weight gainer and fast food couldn't stand the fat feeling). Now I am dieting and weigh 293, already at 9% bf and like it a lot more. That is why i will not overeat at bulking anymore, again my opinium IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 12, 2000 08:03 AM
btw ssman, we are not preaching here, we are engaging in the very american way of exchanging opiniums, for newcomers who want to learn, do research, then apply, then find out what works for you, do not just take everything u read as an absolute. There are some bottom lines, but everything else is a personel preference, so again i am not saying there is only one way, quite the contrary, i'd like to hear everybodies input, just so i can expand my own horizon. btw ssman, u never answered, how old are u and where are u from (shit, i wish they had spell check on here) IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 203) |
posted May 12, 2000 12:11 PM
Nobody.....finally we agree!! My preaching comment wasn't targeted for you, my friend. Actually I think what we have going here is very beneficial to many. This is a prime example to show that nothing in the world of bodybuilding is absolute....and what works for me may not work for you. This exchange of ideas promotes thought. I am 25 and live in Southern California. How about you? IP: Logged |
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Mr. Nobody Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 145) |
posted May 12, 2000 12:37 PM
final chapter: I suppose we have come to the middle ground. I am 33 and live in..... the states, thats all I'm gonna say, I thought you were european for some reason, I had been working out since I was 15, so a long time to fuck up and learn IP: Logged |
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lovetopump Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 7) |
posted May 12, 2000 02:04 PM
just get huge IP: Logged |
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