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maromba Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted May 10, 2000 10:48 PM
   I was talking to a friend today. He is a swimmer and he is at 36. He told me he didn't eat meat for years and since that he never had headaches, intestinal disfunctions, indigestion or colds. It also told me that his flexibility improved after leaving the meat because it has some toxins (heh, maybe steroids!) that damage the tissues. His protein sources are simply: soy, milk, cheese and beans. Did any of you ever have such experience? IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 823) |
posted May 10, 2000 10:51 PM
I NEED MEAT PERIOD ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Platinum Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 179) |
posted May 10, 2000 11:00 PM
I was a quazi vegetarian (lacto ovo) for awhile in high school. I think it is bunk. If we weren't supposed to eat animals then they wouldn't be made from meat. I love animals by the way, I think they are delicious. No really. Through evolution our ancestors ate meat so I think we need the protein that they can provide us. Platinum ------------------ IP: Logged |
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moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 404) |
posted May 10, 2000 11:10 PM
thanks to evolution we are meat eaters. Actually popular theory is that fish made up most of the diet of early humans. The omega 3 in fish helps the brain increase the fat coating of cells which inturns raises intellegence level. Over the 350,000 years I think it has worked pretty well. I think to much meat, Beef in particular is really bad for health. Cant go wrong with fish! IP: Logged |
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BROCK Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104) |
posted May 11, 2000 12:24 AM
NOTHING BEATS A FAT-ASS FILET MIGNON, AND YES. I DID SPELL IT RIGHT. IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 762) |
posted May 11, 2000 12:28 AM
Meat is good. simple enough. Matt IP: Logged |
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jimbaker Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 76) |
posted May 11, 2000 12:32 AM
red meat rules!!! IP: Logged |
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marky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 341) |
posted May 11, 2000 12:42 AM
i used to have a problem stomaching red meat, but no more and periodic incorperations of a grand kc strip shows results ! often better than twice or more the chicken! IP: Logged |
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CornFed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted May 11, 2000 12:46 AM
It is a near impossibility to be at your highest potential without a good source of protein from meat or at least huge amounts of eggs. Your swimmer friend will never be at his peak with out supplementing huge amounts of whey and milk. But what's the point eat your white meat and red meat and fish in moderation it's not bad for you it's good for you. PERIOD.. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1940) |
posted May 11, 2000 12:48 AM
We actually were omnivores for most of our history and meat made up only a small portion of our diet. Quality protein is essential for building muscle and meat is the best (and easiest) source. As moe dank has mentioned, fish is a great source. I prefer poultry and seafood. Low in saturated fat and good for you too. Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 232) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:09 AM
I am pure carnivor, so no....I couldn't survive without meat. Who wants to be built like a swimmer anyway  IP: Logged |
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krzysiu013 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:35 AM
in evolutionary terms humans are omnivores, we are suited to a a lil of everything, just look at our teeth structure. just some of us find hi meat/protein diet beneficial to our addictions. chris ------------------ IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 516) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:45 AM
sorry to affend anybody but, vegetarian are fucking idiots. it make no since not to eat meat. i as well had this conversation w/ my girl(luckly she's a carnavor), we couldn't figure it out. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ozzymandius Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 410) |
posted May 11, 2000 03:40 AM
Why would I want to. Meat meat meat. a huge slab of raw meat. Damn that'z the food of the god'z man. I will say , I once went out with a vegan. She tasted great. IP: Logged |
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maromba Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted May 11, 2000 09:45 AM
Thankx for your opinions! It's really though to live without eating meat, but at least the red meat I'll certainly try to avoid. I say this because lately I'm having TOO MUCH problems with my stomach and intestins. Won't hurt to try... It'll be though, fish and chicken SUCKS! IP: Logged |
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goldenfinger Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:33 PM
tray renfro you and your girlfriend sound very enlightened and open minded. are you philosophy students?? we were not originally carnivores but mainly herbivores as eveidenced by our now useless appendix and our vegetable eaters teeth(the pointy teeth arent fangs people) and some would argue that it was the ingestion of psychedelic plants and mushrooms which helped our minds evolve not fish !! If you want to get huge and dont care for your health meat is the most CONVENIENT form of protein. However to be truly FIT a vegetarian diet is superior. Lots of vegetarian bodybuilders and ironman triathlon champs can tell you you dont need meat to be strong or healthy. And trey hope to see you sometime cause while i never so much as harm a fly i truly enjoy kicking the shit out of morons like you(hows trailer livin trey ?? ) IP: Logged |
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foadman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 54) |
posted May 11, 2000 01:57 PM
Easy now, take a deep breath......slowly let it out. Anger managment maybe??? IP: Logged |
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THE STEEL BEAST Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted May 11, 2000 02:14 PM
IM WITH TREY VEGETARIANISM IS STUPID AND POINTLESS....AND CLASSIFYING PEOPLE IN THE PAST AS OMNIVORES IS JUST AS STUPID....IF YOU KNEW YOUR EVOLUTION THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE LIVED IN THE NORTHERN ICELANDIC AND NORTHERN ASIA MINOR WHERE FEW PLANTS WERE ACTUALLY EDIBLE THEREFORE THE HUNTERS HUNTED....ALSO FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD MEAT WAS THE SOLE DIET FOR MANY A CRO-MAGNON MAN. HERE IT IS PLAIN AND SIMPLE:WANNA LOOK LIKE SCHWARZENEGGER EAT YOUR MEAT...WANNA LOOK LIKE A HIGH SCHOOLER IN A WIFE BEATER GO VEGETARIAN......ITS ALL YOUR CHOICE IP: Logged |
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Curious Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 101) |
posted May 11, 2000 02:43 PM
In case anyone is curious...Bill Pearl is a vegetarian. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted May 11, 2000 02:58 PM
Okay. Put neck on line. I gotta say I've been a strict vegetarian for the last 20 years (yeah I'm a lot older than 25). I don't even eat dairy (I'm allergic), but I will eat the occassional free-range egg. I don't think anyone who has ever seen me on a competition stage would say I have not achieved my potential! If you want to eat animal products, that's your choice, but don't try to justify your habits/preferences by saying that you HAVE to eat meat. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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THE STEEL BEAST Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted May 11, 2000 11:27 PM
BUMP CAUSE I LIKE WHAT I WROTE EARLIER IP: Logged |
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THE STEEL BEAST Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted May 11, 2000 11:30 PM
JUST HAD A FUNNY FUNNY THOUGHT......PEOPLE WILL INJECT ANYTHING BUT NOT EAT MEAT....HAHAHAHHAHA SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IS AMUSING TO ME IP: Logged |
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BROCK Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104) |
posted May 11, 2000 11:42 PM
RIGHT ON STEEL BEAST! IP: Logged |
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THE STEEL BEAST Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted May 11, 2000 11:51 PM
HEHEEHE IP: Logged |
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MS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted May 12, 2000 03:39 PM
Steel Beast and posse There may be people that will inject anything but not eat meat. That's their choice though, right? And I'm not one of them!!! I never claimed to have injected anything. Actually I have, it's called Imigran for migraines. And I'm not hung up on whether I've evolved to eat leaves, fruit, rotting hyena carcasses or dog shit. IT'S A PERSONAL CHOICE and everyone has different reasons for making their dietary choices. All I'm saying is that's it's a poor excuse to claim you HAVE to eat meat. It's convenient and very sociably exceptable, but nothing more. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Steriod_Virgin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 153) |
posted May 12, 2000 04:00 PM
Why do people who disagree have to insult eachother and threaten to kick eachothers asses? I dont get it bro's. I eat meat.. if someone else doesn't it just means more meat for me. Meat tastes good, and I get a lot of protien from it. If you can grow like a mofo with out meat, more power to you. IP: Logged |
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bluesy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted May 12, 2000 05:06 PM
i can only quote an irish comedian who is performing in the sunny Denmark "every vegetarian please raise your hands (no one raises their hand) well see they are to weak to raise their hands because they dont get any protein" okay it might not be funny to read, but if you saw hin perform you would laugh your ass of. Bluesy IP: Logged |
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Ed O. Puss-Rexx Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 75) |
posted May 12, 2000 05:15 PM
I think evolutionary differences have enabled people of some lineages to do better without meat than others. Personally, I used to be a vegetarian because I didn't like the idea of animals dying for me, but I really suffered terrible health consequences. I need meat. Despite what you may have been told, human prehistory is all about meat. Agriculture is a remarkably recent invention. So if you must go vegetarian, make sure you get lots of fish oil. If you have stomach trouble, make sure it's not an internal yeast infection. (Guys get them too.) Do a search on yeast and detoxification, and take it from there. You may also try what I do, which is eating only 2X a day. I take in about 2,500 calories at each sitting, 7AM and 7PM, in the form of a fatty, delicious, gourmet meal with lots of meat, dairy, and vegetables. Let's just put it this way: One meal goes out before another goes in. [This message has been edited by Ed O. Puss-Rexx (edited May 12, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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bollocks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted May 12, 2000 05:21 PM
goldenfinger is full of shit. our teeth ARE for eating meat. ripping flesh. it wasnt till we started to eat meat that we grew BIG. our intestines also indicate we are suppoed to eat veggies and meat. it takes longer to get the goodness from plants, thats why cows have 4 stomachs. lions have 1 stomach and a short intestine. we have medium size intestines. vegetarians like to talk CRAP makes em feel better. its not us meat eaters they are tryin' to convince, they are trying to convince themselves its better. they still love meat, why do they eat tofu weiners? veggie burgers? they try n make veggies taste like meat. i dont try n make my steak taste like a sprout. read muscle mag there is a bit on this july 200 page 238 and where you gunna get yer aminos veggie boy?...............EAY MY MEAT IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 516) |
posted May 13, 2000 03:02 AM
im sorry but what the fu*k's up with you goldenfinger. i make my own opion on a subject and you flame me, im not saying vegans arent health people, it's just that it makes no since to avoid meat. thanks steal beast. tray p.s. oh and the $825,000 trailer i live in is treating me well, thanks. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 525) |
posted May 13, 2000 03:09 AM
wow. did i miss something in anatomy? arent those pointy "veggie teeth" called canines? as in the ones dogs have? last time i saw my dog eating grass in the backyard he puked it all up. but hell tear the hell out of a bone with some meat on it, with his "veggie teeth" and if we are such herbivores, why cant we digest cellulose as a carbohydrate source? isnt that the point? veggies are good for bulk and vitamins in my opinion. its quite hard to live off of them alone, unless you are quite knowledgeable on mixing them for optimal nutrition. also being a lacto or ovo vegetarian would be a bit easier for protein intake. IP: Logged |
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squatter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted May 13, 2000 03:16 AM
just a few comments; goldenfinger, you must be one huge dude! "ironman triathlon champs can tell you you dont need meat to be strong" woo hoo! just who I take advise from when it comes to being strong! ya right... go do some 'cardio' Bill Pearl-was not a vegatarian when he built his muscle. do to health problems he was forced to lay off of meat for a while. he and his wife enjoyed the lifestyle and stuck with it. Moderation in all things. if you're eating a 40 ounce steak for protien, too much meat at one time is just making an expensive terd! IP: Logged |
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goldenfinger Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 13, 2000 04:48 AM
why dont you guys cut to the chase and take out the FITNESS part of elite fitness. By the sounds of this board there aint one person here interested in fitness. Most of you are here to brag about how you shoot a gram of sust and that makes you a man. You should call this the Elite "girly titted , artery bulging, red faced, tank top wearin, tijuana whore lovin redneck site " you guys no SHIT about fitness. you laugh at the idea of cardi fitness yet wax eloquently about how to get rid of your girlie titties and tiny balls !! ha ha ha get a clue you retards. by the way keep eating meat and you could enjoy the following . Lower Life Expectancy Colon Cancer Cancer of the Uterus Lower Stamina Breast Cancer Constipation Obesity Arthritis Ovarian Cancer Circulatory Disease Cervcal Cancer Prostate Cancer Multiple Sclerosis Hypertension Gall Stones Anemia Osteoporosis Heart Disease Hypoglaucimia Kidney Stones Ulcers Asthma Immune Deficiency but it will be a HUGE coffin right morons!!
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squatter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted May 13, 2000 09:42 AM
if you have such a problem with us, why have you stuck around to make 40+ posts? why are you reading this now? If you have to question, you'll never understand. The week are full of opinions and insults. The strong are just that. IP: Logged |
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Jim Layhoe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted May 13, 2000 10:30 AM
leave the fitness aspect to Richard Simmons. Just because soom of of Juice doesn't mean we aren't conserned with our heath,thats why most of us are here to minimize the risk through informative q & a but i can't speek for everyone. IP: Logged |
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goldenfinger Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 13, 2000 05:38 PM
i quoth SQUATTER. ""Bill Pearl-was not a vegatarian when he built his muscle. due to health problems he was forced to lay off of meat for a while. he and his wife enjoyed the lifestyle and stuck with it."" ha ha ha squatter do you not see the absolute idiocy of your post. Does anyone?? he laid off meat due to health problems. Now why in the world would you have to lay off meat if its so damn good for you you moron. Squatter i bet you cant run up the stairs without breaking a sweat. If you think you need meat to build muscle you know nothing of nutrition or fitness. Protein is composed if amino acids. FOLLOW so far?? many plants have amino acids. Eating vegetarian is simply a matter of combining the right foods. Id suggest you spend a little more time learning your nutrition !! first some bodybuilders bill pearl and now for some of our most uninfluential thinkers gandhi you know what trey your right vegetarians are all idiots !! :-) heres some sites where you might learn something USEFUL !!! v IP: Logged |
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bstrong Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 182) |
posted May 13, 2000 06:04 PM
"....PEOPLE WILL INJECT ANYTHING BUT NOT EAT MEAT....HAHAHAHHAHA SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IS AMUSING TO ME"- well tht's me havn't eat any thing that use to walk for 5-6 years now,(i'm ok with fish) when ever i fill the need for some good old protein, id drink the whits of some 3-4 eggs or use the podwers, also tries to eat fishs that spose to be with better protein. i'm afraid i'm with GOLDFIGER on that post, meat is easy way to get loads of protein but i thinks (and feel) that's it bad for u. i can just feel it ,i know nothing i'd say would change anyones thoughts on this post, but untill u'de tried it for a couple of month or so u wont know what i'm talking about. IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 525) |
posted May 13, 2000 06:19 PM
first of all, i guess i dont have the time to figure out which combos of vegetables will equal the protein of a chicken breast, nor do i have the inclination. second, i suppose milk isnt necessary since rennin is inactive in the adult stomach, no need to curdle the milk since we should be off the titty? i suppose in that aspect its true. the question was "can we live without meat?" of course we can. does it make us bad to eat meat? hell no. does it make us any less fit? hell no. i have always seen vegans as being quite proud of thier decision to abstain from meat. almost to the point of arrogance. perhaps thats what we are seeing here. if you are fine with how you eat, goldenfinger, more power to you. i applaud your insight on food combinations. but dont start a thread expecting to get nothing but positive comments about something such as veganism on a bodybuilding site. bb's find meat to be a convenient source of protein. not everyone is going to say "hey goldenfinger, email me on how i can spend more time thinking not only about training, life, job, bills, my cycle(if applicable) and now how to make the switch to veganism." you just wont get that overwhelming of a response. IP: Logged |
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goldenfinger Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 13, 2000 07:15 PM
hey i got nothing against meat eaters in fact all my friends and family are and i dont even know personally another vegetarian. As well i have no problem with people who decide to eat meat and in fact many of the excuses above are ok . Its fine to say you eat meat cause you like the taste, or i dont want to concentrate on combining foods but dont try and defend meat on medical, nutritional, ethical or scientific fact. There is simply no valid argument to eat meat or dairy. as well i have no problem with people who juice and i am here to fully educate myself before deciding whether or not to. And while the vast majority of postings are educated and well thought out answers on cycling, training and nutrition there are a few of you who would probably trade half your lifetime for a buff physique and that i cannot understand. And BIG NATE while your observations on your dogs and yours teeth and his inability to digest lawn grass are convincing i think ill get my anthropolical fact from someone a little more qualified !! :-) also BIG NATE i am so sorry to hear my mailbox will not be deluged with requests for nutritional advice because, as any intelligent person can see that was the intention of my post. And my "tijuana whore lovin" comment was only directed at an ELITE few on this board because vegan, vegetarian or carnivorous we all love tijuana whores !! that is all IP: Logged |
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bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 525) |
posted May 13, 2000 07:37 PM
hehe. im glad to hear that you are not anxiously awaiting a mailbox full of conversion emails. as for your intention on that post, im not sure what you had in mind. was it to frown upon meat eaters or to just strike back at those who questioned your dietary regimine? noone invalidates your decision, nor do you probably feel the need for justification. fine. whether or not you choose to follow the belief that a majority of vegetable bulk is unused is up to you. perhaps you can do a search on cellulose and see how it is used in the human system. or you can just check the toilet after sit down. vegetable bulk or fiber is passed through the system without the processing of cellulose as a viable carbohydrate source. enzmatically its not possible for us. thats my point with the "dog eating grass" analogy. perhaps my canine tooth analogy was a bit off, but i dont think it was way off. our teeth are not similar to that of cows nor are they identical to predatorial canines. so you see the tradeoff is there. kudos to you for a stimulating conversation though. i enjoy such things to get me thinking. peace IP: Logged |
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aahthit Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 29) |
posted May 13, 2000 07:49 PM
......hungry now......gotta get big,..... where did I put those lawn clippings?..... IP: Logged |
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tri~zilla Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 234) |
posted May 13, 2000 07:49 PM
no what goldenfinger? you're probably right, i'd probably would break a sweat runnin' up a flight of stairs . and i probably couldn't chase you for miles and miles but, when i do get my hands on you, i'll break your nose, ribs, arms and legs in that exact order then decide if i want to take any pictures to add to my collection. you see, in the old days you would be running T-REX ------------------ IP: Logged |
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goldenfinger Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted May 13, 2000 08:17 PM
BIG NATE you are still transfixed on vegetables being our only protein source. I eat fruit and vegetables not for any protein but for vitamin and minerals. vegetarian protein sources would be things like nuts, seeds, soy, chickpeas, lentils and grain products. Carbohydrate sources are things like rice, grains, pastas,breads etc.I dont think any vegetarian would count any vegetables as much of a protein source. Thus our bodies inability to process plant cellulose is unimportant. And for all you retards who think you cant have muscular fitness and cardiovascular at the same time. Get a f*&&^ing clue you know nothing about fitness. and for you TRIZILLA i spend about 40 minutes a day liftin weights and about 10 hrs a week training in jiu jitsu. And every weekend the same damn thing happens. Some big piece of shit like you starts hasslin me or my friend at the bar . I tell him to fuck off and he doesn't. He throws some big haymaker and i shoot in and take him to the ground. Now being the big piece of shit like you or him are you cant handle more than twenty seconds of intense cardio like in a fight. so i hold on to you while you sruggle a bit and then when you tire I release my grip and proceed to punch the shit out of your face. once i am done with your face and eyes (always go for the eyes) i will proceed to break a few fingers and maybe your collarbone. both good weak joint options. Now if your lucky and it took place in a bar it might end there. However if you are unlucky enough to fight me in the street and there are no witnesses around i might just STOMP your tiny balls into a mush and then piss on you, as well as stripping your clothes so you have to walk home naked !! If you are a dumb jock, frat boy or muscleheadtype and your girlfriend is around you can count on enough humiliation to ensure you can never look her in the face again !! This is all so vivid to me cause i did it to a fat, crew cut, little shit in a parking lot two weekends ago !! And it is obvious you know nothing about fighting because anyone with half a clue knows arms and ribs are very hard to break and small joints offer so many more options and so much more pain. By the way trazilla Have you got your tank tops out yet TRIZILLA you fucking steroid monkey !!! can you find your balls over your titties bitch !! ha ha ha are you from canada trizilla cause if your in t.o. just come on up to the gym and we can spar like men and put up the video for all eliters to view your humiliation and subsequent mental retardation !! where are you bitch ???????????????????????? IP: Logged |
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djmuscleboy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16) |
posted May 13, 2000 08:32 PM
u guys---Protein is protein--wheter it comes from soya or a dead cow...but it takes much less work from your body to digest soya,or fish etc...compare to red meat, actually, u need more energy to digest red meat than it gives you--so...and meat sticks to your intern bowels over the years,so if u avoid meat,your intestine absorb more out of everythig that goes through there, that's another good reason~! just make sure u get enough protein and compensate with a little extra more creatine, than a meat eater, and you'll gains just as good, and even better than the other ones ------------------ IP: Logged |
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tri~zilla Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 234) |
posted May 13, 2000 10:09 PM
goldenliar, i know ribs are hard to break, that is why i pride myself on breaking every opponent's i've faced in the last two years. and as for the arm, you say you take jitsu, but even in the basic levels you would have been taught an arm lock. if you lower the bracing arm and apply a fast wrenching turn, the lower arm breaks every time. people like you think if they can talk fast enough, you'll scare everyone in cyberworld off. everyone on this board knows where i reside and work out daily(DALLAS,TX---Fitness Factory on Greenville and Mockingbird) come see me sometime and we'll go at it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ghans Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted May 14, 2000 02:37 AM
Vegetarians are weak! I would find it hard to fill my protien needs without meat. If fats are a concern, lean meat like fish and poultry is fine. Eggs are a good source. Most vegetable protien is incomplete but combined they are still good. Like beans and rice together are a complete protien. I eat meat or eggs or both with every meal and supplement with whey and protien bars. Try to stay away from heavy soy use. Eat meat! ghans IP: Logged |
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MS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted May 14, 2000 03:16 AM
This is really fun! Cyber slugging match. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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maromba Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted May 14, 2000 11:07 AM
Are you mad? I created this topic to hear experiences of you, veggies or non veggies...not to open it everyday and see a f**king battle of vanities! Let's face it! Both parts have their reasons! Let's share the knowledge without being fanatic, it's much more productive. Sorry but I thought we would just share experiences... BUMP IP: Logged |
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DRRman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 192) |
posted May 14, 2000 11:21 AM
Goldenfinger, you are a true dickhead, i mean you tell us how ingnorant we all are and how we like to brag about our juice dosages and our problems, you say this isn't elitefitness-----THIS IS THE FUCKING STEROID BOARD, not the how do i combine my oranges apples and peanuts to get what i need for breakfast. If you think of all the juicers on this board as you said in your post above, well then go the hell somewhere else and take your broccoli and cauliflower with you, I'll sit here with my 22oz T-Bone and slop up all the cow flesh with the red juice running down the corners of my mouth-and laugh like hell... IP: Logged |
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Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 241) |
posted May 14, 2000 11:45 AM
Guys -- Fighting sucks. Puc IP: Logged |
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Mord Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted May 14, 2000 12:11 PM
I only have this to say on this meat vegetarian thing. I have absolutely nothing against eating meat but I feel the animals should be killed clean, quick and with no excess pain. I took a look at the site listed by goldfinger: http://www.meatstinks.com/pigcase.html and Im am fucking sickened beyond belief and amazed at the amount of cruelty we humans are capable of! I think those fuckers should be tortured themselves and see how they like it this fucking world sucks!! ps. I dont think i'll be eating bacon ever again Mord~ [This message has been edited by Mord (edited May 14, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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gearface Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted May 14, 2000 12:15 PM
My girlfriend sure does like the meat! hehe sorry i just had to throw that in. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted May 14, 2000 04:01 PM
Okay Golden Finger. I'm gonna share my experiences as a vego, for anyone who may really want to know if it's a valid option. I appreciate the stance of those who chosse to eat whatever, for whatever reason and hope those who choose differently will respect my choice. I don't see dietary choice as any diff from religious, sexual or anabolic choices people on this board may make. Nuff said? As I said earlier, I have been a strict vegetarian for 20 years. First let me correct that. It's only been 19 years. I occassionally eat free-range eggs. I'm now 40 years old and placed first in my open class on my 40th birthday (what a great present). I'm lifetime steroid free, but hang out on this board because I also personal train people who choose to use A/S (and most of them also eat meat). I am a non-certified dietician who has changed careers to work as a medical biochemist while 'moonlighting' as a P.T. I do not obsess over my diet. I don't 'combine' foods, except to make it taste good! I eat lots of pasta, rice, beans, lentils, nuts, and vegies when I'm not cutting. I don't eat fruit because I don't like it (I just don't have a sweet tooth). When I'm cutting I still eat rice, whole wheat, oats, or potatoes and lots of fibrous vegies. In a cutting cycle I supplement with soy protein (200 grams per day)and creatine plus glutamine. I'm fit, healthy, happy and a good cook who enjoys my food. Let the flame-throwing begin. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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bollocks Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted May 14, 2000 04:40 PM
STEAK ANYONE? IP: Logged |
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christian918 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 244) |
posted May 14, 2000 05:01 PM
Interesting post. I believe that it should be everyone's choice to eat what they want, however, in a survey of people over the age of 100 years, the only thing they ALL had in common was they were all heavy red meat eaters. So be a vegetarian if you wish, but please don't think its a "healthier" life style, most of the longest living people in this country would disagree. -Christian IP: Logged |
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THE STEEL BEAST Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 140) |
posted May 14, 2000 05:10 PM
EAT MEAT AND LOOK LIKE SCHWARZENEGGER.(ECONOMICAL TOO) EAT VEGETARIAN AND LOOK LIKE TOM GREEN {WASTE MONEY ON 10 DOLLAR 100 CALORIE VEGGIE BURGERS)
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