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JUICESEEKER
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted May 06, 2000 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUICESEEKER   Click Here to Email JUICESEEKER     Edit/Delete Message
anybody got any good gains from prohomones?
i know it sounds like a dump question. but i am curious as to how many like the results from this latest supplement.

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JUICESEEKER
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posted May 06, 2000 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUICESEEKER   Click Here to Email JUICESEEKER     Edit/Delete Message
COME ON! SOMEBODY ANSWER MY QUESTION!

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animal B
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posted May 06, 2000 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for animal B   Click Here to Email animal B     Edit/Delete Message
nobody will answer becuase it is obvious, but I hear my help you maintain what you have , Ive only used DHEA....nothing there

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JUICESEEKER
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posted May 06, 2000 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUICESEEKER   Click Here to Email JUICESEEKER     Edit/Delete Message
come on people, i need a little insight. don't need to be so hard on the unknowlegeble!

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Sittin' On Diesel
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posted May 06, 2000 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sittin' On Diesel   Click Here to Email Sittin' On Diesel     Edit/Delete Message
Trash bin got a little fuller.

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glenbenton
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posted May 06, 2000 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glenbenton   Click Here to Email glenbenton     Edit/Delete Message
i recived a pair of bitch tits on that fucking crap androstene, dont take that shit it does nothing but give all the bad side effects with no gains. That company should be sued and they should take that shit off the market

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dahmer
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted May 06, 2000 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dahmer   Click Here to Email dahmer     Edit/Delete Message
That's funny because I think that is how I got my puffy nipples!!! I jumped onto the Andro bandwagon and was popping them like crazy. That was like a year ago. I noticed my nipples, but since I was eating tons of food, i figured it was just fat. I recently have been dieting and taking thermogenic to cut fat for summer. I am lower in weight and fat then I have been in a year. But I STILL have puffy nipple!!! What the fuck?? I am actually pretty lean, but still nipples are puffy!!! I don't know what to do. I am thinking about Armidex, but my doc says no way!!! Does anyone know where it is available?? I don't want to get surgery. I am also hitting my first cycle in about a month and I am afraid it will get worse!!!

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glenbenton
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posted May 06, 2000 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glenbenton   Click Here to Email glenbenton     Edit/Delete Message
dude my nips are beyond puffy im gonna need surgery and i hope i can get the insurance pricks to pay for it

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Romeo
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted May 06, 2000 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Romeo   Click Here to Email Romeo     Edit/Delete Message
hey bro im in muscletechs nortesten now ...bro ive noticed some strength gains but not much..honestly its a waist of money..but im an ass so whatever

peace romeo

rpmeo must die----i shall rise

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George Spellwin
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posted May 06, 2000 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for George Spellwin   Click Here to Email George Spellwin     Edit/Delete Message
This is a biased opinion, but I think that the diols are great the diones are so so. The nor-diones are great too.

Here is what I was able to achieve with a consultation client using only pro-hormones. https://www.elitefitness.com/articles/ultimate/index.shtml

Also check out: http://shop.massquantities.com/supplements/113.html
and http://shop.massquantities.com/supplements/117.html

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George

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Yoda
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posted May 06, 2000 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yoda   Click Here to Email Yoda     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Glenbenton, good luck getting an insurance company to pay for that. They'll only okay it if its cancerous, not cosmetic. Couple of my clients have the same situation, got it from prohormones, and their insurance companies didn't want to hear it. Start saving the pennies!!!

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HamStuffer
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posted May 06, 2000 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HamStuffer   Click Here to Email HamStuffer     Edit/Delete Message
yes, I have had strength gains for about the first 3 weeks, but that was about it.

Hammy

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Joe Juicer
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posted May 07, 2000 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Juicer   Click Here to Email Joe Juicer     Edit/Delete Message
Here's all I have to say...

My first AS cycle...
300mg Laurabolin/week
1.5 cc/ref-b per day
8 weeks
Gained about 5 lbs of *permanent* muscle

My first pro-hormone cycle...
1 g 4-androstenedione/day
1 g 19-norandrostenedione/day
1.5 g CLA
8 weeks
Gained about 15 lbs of *permanent* muscle

I think a big part of this is just that I did the pro-hormones first so all my receptors were completely fresh. By the time I hit the AS, I already had a few pro-hormone cycles under my belt.

I don't want to slam AS (they work!), but I caution people against using AS that stay in the body a real long time like Laurabolin. It takes a long time for your natural test to come back when you go off an oil-based nandrolone drug. On the pro-hormones, I was back to my normal, horny self within a couple weeks.

Moral of the story: Use drugs that don't stay in your body for months after you do your last shot. Pro-hormones work really well because they're in and out in a matter of hours... BUT because they're orals, you should take milk thistle (silymarin) to protect your liver.

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delts
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posted May 07, 2000 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delts   Click Here to Email delts     Edit/Delete Message
Had some luck with creatine and still take it, and I like tribulus........but that's about it for me. If prohormones TRULY worked......this would be the "Prohormone board" instead of the "anabolics board". I've tried a shit load of that junk, never got much in the way of gains, but I also didn't experience any gyno, so at least I'm not predisposed to that. Good luck.

delts

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maromba
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posted May 07, 2000 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maromba   Click Here to Email maromba     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 9328086
A got a good pump and was horny all the time...nothing more than it.

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Yoda
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posted May 07, 2000 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yoda   Click Here to Email Yoda     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Joe Juicer, no offense bro bit I don't care how genetically gifted you are you don't have anywhere near the level of enzymes to convert those dosages. When did you do this "cycle" at the beginning of your training? Probably would have gained as much with a One A Day vitamin.

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B
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posted May 07, 2000 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for B   Click Here to Email B     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 67250357
I got gyno on one side (go figure) from taking that shit. Insurance paid for the removal to get my body back to being "symetrical". Cool doc who got the approval from my insurance to get it done through a cosmetic surgen. I guess I am lucky that insurance paid for it.........."B"

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JUICESEEKER
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posted May 07, 2000 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUICESEEKER   Click Here to Email JUICESEEKER     Edit/Delete Message
BUMP!

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George Spellwin
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posted May 08, 2000 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for George Spellwin   Click Here to Email George Spellwin     Edit/Delete Message
One thing to remember is that there are very few controls on the supplement companies. The pro-hormone 19-norandrostenedione is abour 4 times the cost of androstenedione. The pro-hormone 4 androstenediol is about 2 times the cost of androstenedione.

The bad news is that for many supplement companies, it is much cheaper to produce an androstenedione product and label it a 4-androstenediol or 19-norandrostenedione product. The 19-norandrostenedione that we use in Norabol will convert to Nandrolone in the liver and should not cause gyno.

More info: http://shop.massquantities.com/supplements/113.html

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Curious
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posted May 08, 2000 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curious     Edit/Delete Message
I gained some Nizoral and some Rogaine to help put back the small amount of hair that I lost. (luckily it worked). I also gained several empty bottles and a lot of frustration.

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