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cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 05, 2000 11:58 PM sust deca dbol winny 1 750 400 30 2 750 400 30 3 750 400 30 4 750 400 30 5 750 400 6 750 400 7 500 300 150 8 500 200 150 9 150 10 150 11 150 12 150 This is an example of my first cycle, which i am yet to do. MattTheSkywalker was kind enough to help me. Assuming I continue to train balls to the wall and eat properly(for mass in this case) What could i expect from this? And does anyone have any idea how much it would cost? And when and how much Clomid should i take? On a side note what wrestlers do you guys think are juicin? ------------------ "ya gotta eat your grub if you wanna be a stud." IP: Logged
WCP Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 776)	posted May 06, 2000 12:02 AM Your winny is in your dbol line...I about shit when I seen the 150mg..heh..heh..heh.. I wouldnt drop the sus any lower than 250mgs. of course I havent seen any real need to taper..but alot of people do it. I personally would go 750 the entire cycle if thats what your starting with..and keep the dbol all cycle through...you will learn to love the pink....heh..heh..heh.. Just my .02 Later, WCP ------------------ "Man doth not yeild himself unto the Angels, nor unto Death utterly......save only through the weakness of his feeble will" --Joseph Glanvill IP: Logged
MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 628)	posted May 06, 2000 12:04 AM All the wresters are juicin'. Those 150's at the end there are for winny not for d-bol and sust. Clomid - 50 mg eod weeks 1-8. weeks 9-10, 100 mg eod or 50 ed. weeks 11-12, 50 mg eod Sust has a 30 day half life (the longest one) so there will still be some in your system till week 12 - hence the clomid. Matt IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 12:05 AM copy and paste ain't worth a shit, all of those 150's are for whinny in their respected weeks, sorry for any confusion IP: Logged
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 494)	posted May 06, 2000 12:07 AM Cycle looks perfect, don't forget the clomid. IP: Logged
Monster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28)	posted May 06, 2000 12:22 AM The first cycle is the best cycle youll ever have! But unfortunatly we all waste it because we dont know or are scared and dont do what we should. Dont taper the sust, the esters will self taper and do the work for you. I use 1500-2000mg a week and have never tapered and never had a problem. -also- Dont make the mistake of pyramid cycling (y'know, low then up to high, then back low), and only taper drugs that NEED to be. Start at your highest level and go with it, if you need a taper at the end, do, if not DONT! This is one of the main causes of gyno!!! Gyno is caused from the increase of estrogen as a result of increased testosterone, right? NO, not completly. It is caused by the FLUCTUATION of estrogen to testosterone. Pyramids and unneccesary tapers cause a violent influx of estrogen and can cause bad gyno (especially in people who are prone). I stick to these principals and use NO anti-estrogens at all, at doses at or near 2000mg a week and never have a problem. Something to think about... The only exception to this is dbol. Taper up then down. Why up? Well, you tendons dont get strong as fast as your muscle do, and the strength gains from dbol come so quick that you risk tearing a tendon, as they dont get that strength as quickly. But gyno-wise this shouldnt matter, since the dbol wont be at all dominant in the anabolic cocktail your using... Well, Ive said my piece! Monster IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 12:55 AM thanks guys,bump IP: Logged
E2 Moderator (Total posts: 2828)	posted May 06, 2000 11:42 AM IT'S A GOOD CYCLE BUT I'D GO HARDER ON THE WINNY, UP IT TO 300 A WEEK, OR MORE, THE FOLLOWING IS A GOOD CYCLE THAT I'VE PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON YOU CAN DROP THE WINNY DOSE DOWN A BIT IF YOU WANT this is what i'd suggest sust**decadbol**Winny 750*4006.day 750*4006.day 750*4005.day 750*4005.day 750*4005/day 750*400*********450 750*300*********450 500*200*********450 250*****************450*clen clomid 100mg.day****300*clen clomid 100mg.day****300*clen clomid 50mg.day*****150**eca clomid 50mg.day****************eca as well clomid eod during whole cycle, the deca shot once a week the sust shot every 3 days, and the dbol take EVERY 4 HOURS including nightime. The clen take tabs until you shake like a mofo then back off 1/2 tab. stop the clen when you body tempereature goes back to normal, then start eca. 25 mg ephedrine, 200mg caffine and 350 mg asprin three times a day. Just don't take it to late in teh day or you'll never get to sleep. 21 Sust 2900 mg Deca 189 Dbol 2550 mg Winstrol. 70 50mg Clomid IP: Logged
BigCatratcho Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 352)	posted May 06, 2000 03:26 PM I love how you shout at everyone E2. I knew you'd advise CANTGET to "UP THE WINNY" but I have a question for Monster: you say you are taking 1500 2000mgs of sust a week How long? and What do you use to wake up your balls? You've gotta be using HCG or something? ------------------ -bighonduran "We took the dosage for a horse, and doubled it." IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 04:06 PM bump for bpp IP: Logged
alwaysniceguy Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46)	posted May 06, 2000 04:10 PM bump for BIG CAT...yeah, what u using to wake them chickpeas up? NICE ------------------ Life is too short to be small. IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 04:54 PM Bump again IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 05:29 PM Bump for BPP and or cubano ------------------ "ya gotta eat your grub if you wanna be a stud." IP: Logged
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 826)	posted May 06, 2000 05:44 PM I agree with Matt's and E2's cycle advice....Captain-Insane-O strikes again...heh heh heh....you'll be very pleased with the end results.....bet on that.......BLAST OFF BRO!! Ranger ------------------ A man that cannot laugh at himself........should go fuck himself in the mouth! IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 06:31 PM did E2 really mean 250mg of aspirin in that eca? hey i got some ripped fuel will that work as good as taking it all seperately IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 08:52 PM bump IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 09:09 PM bump IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 09:47 PM bump IP: Logged
cantgetlayed Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32)	posted May 06, 2000 11:46 PM bump ------------------ "ya gotta eat your grub if you wanna be a stud." IP: Logged

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