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dolce Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34)	posted May 04, 2000 08:57 PM i'm trying to lower my body fat and stay at the same weight...I want to do it naturally any advice would be appreciated... IP: Logged
KANE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 283)	posted May 04, 2000 09:03 PM What you search for my son is the holy grail. To do what you want you will need to gain muscle which means eating more cals than you need and lose fat which means eating less cals than you need. Cant be done Do it in two phases one for size and one for weight loss. Steroids would help bro, but I can respect your decision to be natural ------------------ KANE IP: Logged
The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 199)	posted May 04, 2000 09:10 PM Listen fucking retard it is possible, just not when you are a huge mother fucker. If you are just getting started with weights and don't have that much muscle it is certainly possibe to loose fat and gain muscle. Actually in the begining your weight will often stay the same because you are loosing fat and gaining muscle. I am speaking from experience when I was natural, not talking out of my ass like the idiot above. If u want, email me and I'll send you the excell spreadsheet I use to determine my meal sizes. When and if you are natural, diet and cycling calories is very important in loosing fat, with juice it doesn't matter cause you can starve yourself and still keep your muscle. LP IP: Logged
22guage Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 29)	posted May 04, 2000 09:42 PM doing it natural?!!! what the fuck? what in the hell are you doing on this board? as you can see every one is here to discuss AS and you want to come in and say the word natural?!!! get the fuck out of here ------------------ IP: Logged
dolce Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34)	posted May 04, 2000 09:58 PM Sorry for saying the word natural in front of you O' Mighty Sir... but its my discussion not yours..The reason I like the board is because of the bond it's members have formed...So I am sorry but im here to stay..the reason im not using any more is because my uncle died from abusing as to the point that his heart exploded...He left behind a family that was counting on him and thats my reason for being natural... Anyway thaks for bring back some great memories.........dick IP: Logged
waltzman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56)	posted May 04, 2000 10:04 PM sorry to here that I know how it feels to lose someone just eat right and train like crazy! IP: Logged
Steriod_Virgin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 97)	posted May 04, 2000 10:04 PM I respect that you want to stay natural.. but, I think you should go find yourself an all natural board. If my uncle died from roids, this would be the last place I would hang out. The primary topic here is how to use A/S safely. no disrepect intended. IP: Logged
dolce Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34)	posted May 04, 2000 10:14 PM He died because he didnt use a board like this to learn how to us properly...I use all the information I learn on this board to help people that are determinded to use to be safe.... IP: Logged
Jay Z Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 156)	posted May 04, 2000 10:16 PM Guys leave the natural guy alone...What you need is Thermadrene, take 1 in the morning..you won't eat till 2-3pm...later ------------------ Sign the petition now at LegalizeSteroids.com,DecriminalizeSteroids.com, or SignThePetition.com! IP: Logged
KANE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 283)	posted May 04, 2000 10:16 PM Listen Mr blonde Myth. Isnt it past your bed time. If your mommy and daddy find out you are reading about steroids on there computer you'll be grounded You have no clue so shut the fuck up! ------------------ KANE IP: Logged
reddog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2)	posted May 04, 2000 10:33 PM Whoever posted the comment criticizing Dolce for wanting to lift naturally, not only is an idiot, but is missing the whole point of this board and for lifting in general. The whole point of this board is to give advice to others and to help people be the best lifters they can be. I don't recall his commenting contributing anything at all. Secondly, lifting is all about improving yourself. If Dolce wants to lift naturally, God bless him, that's his choice. If whoever made that post has no advice to give, he shouldn't be using this board. IP: Logged
Steriod_Virgin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 97)	posted May 04, 2000 10:39 PM This is an ANABOLIC DISCUSSION BOARD the last time I checked... They have other boards here which are not SPECIFICALY RELATED TO THE SAFE USE AND DISCUSSION OF A/S, all Im saying is that maybe more appropriate/useful place for him here at elite fitness. IP: Logged
BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 225)	posted May 04, 2000 10:41 PM Man are all of you having some test induced rage tonight ? Whats with all the attitudes ? Blonde Myth that was way out of line. ANyway to the question...shit now I don't remember it. BPP IP: Logged
reddog Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2)	posted May 04, 2000 10:47 PM Virgin??{I wouldn't be suprised} Anyway the board is a anabolic board and one aspect of anabolics is the discission whether or not to take them...... IP: Logged
MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 614)	posted May 04, 2000 10:50 PM Dolce, Email me. There's too many pricks on tonight. Matt IP: Logged
The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 199)	posted May 04, 2000 10:53 PM I am tired of the same shit being passed back and forth. Bodybuilding doesn't always have to work like lee priest does it. You don't have to become a fat ass to put on muscle. Shawn ray doesn't stray more than 20lbs from his competition weight and he is pretty ripped all year round. The reason I am setting your sorry ass straight kane, is because you said it is impossible to loose fat and build muscle, Well fuck off because I have done it, and it is possible When you are starting out!! Now it is impossible for a vet bodybuilder to do it, but the guy never listed his training experience. So unless you have some benefical info to include in a post, keep it to yourself! Notice that my reply was some info to help him out. Yours was an asshole post insulting the guy. LP [This message has been edited by The_Blond_Myth (edited May 04, 2000).] IP: Logged
Natural Wonder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133)	posted May 04, 2000 10:54 PM ANABOLIC stands for muscle gains! They are plenty of naturals here. Hell, even a nutural mod. SO, just stop flaming dude about it!!!! I got your back! IP: Logged
The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 199)	posted May 04, 2000 11:00 PM BTW if the guy wants to be natural then fine. Some really need to get a life, it does get boring reading about AS all the time, and there is nothing wrong with discussing training or diet on this board. Oh and while I'm ranting tonight(must be the fina) Steroid virgin go fuck yourself! Have you ever even done a cycle? LP IP: Logged
dolce Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34)	posted May 05, 2000 01:10 AM Thank you to all the people that respect me for staying natural...You are true gentleman and for that I am greatful...That is what a brotherhood is all about,,,Thanks,, IP: Logged
Slim Whitman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 146)	posted May 05, 2000 01:22 AM I do it "naturally" to a chick every chance I get!!!!! What are you guys using, fake dicks????(he he) relax fellas...do what you want to do. But whatever you do, do it well. Natural or not. Unaturally yours, Slim IP: Logged
Prayin4Mass Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9)	posted May 05, 2000 01:43 AM Damn Blond....Now I am new to this post, but I've seen Kane give alot of advice and help to people so maybe you shouldn't be so disrespectful to HIS beliefs (not yours). If you have conflicting information, please give it. It would be beneficial to the post (and newbies). But not at the expense of someone elses character. IP: Logged
The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 199)	posted May 05, 2000 01:50 AM I am sure he is a great guy, I disagree with him. LP IP: Logged
demaroid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 226)	posted May 05, 2000 11:24 AM dolce I respect your decision and e-mail skywalker because certain people on here haven't grown up yet. Common guys keep it postive this shit doesn't help to promote our sport in a postive light and no one is learning about proper gear use from "cyber-trashtalking" ------------------ LIVE MASSIVE!!! D E M A R O I D IP: Logged
GEERHED Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 48)	posted May 05, 2000 11:36 AM Is anyone disputing that you can build muscle without gaining fat? If you build muscle,your body will burn more fat naturally.So it is possible to build and lose at the same time. ------------------ Think big. Become BIG. [This message has been edited by GEERHED (edited May 05, 2000).] IP: Logged
Curious Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 74)	posted May 05, 2000 11:43 AM Excellent Point Geerhed! ------------------ That which does not kill you makes you stronger. IP: Logged
Komo Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 104)	posted May 05, 2000 01:19 PM I`ve had good experiences with eating a lot of calories (about 4500-5000) for two weeks, then 2000-2500/day for two weeks. Then 5000 again. U get the picture? Actually it�s kind of like the ABCDE-diet, read all about it at: http://testosterone.net/html/body_59abcde.html Good luck! /Komo IP: Logged
qui Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 68)	posted May 05, 2000 01:22 PM A friend emailed this Here's an interesting study: Phosphate supplementation prevents a decrease of triiodothyronine (T3) and increases resting metabolic rate during low energy diet. Nazar K, Kaciuba-Uscilko H, Szczepanik J, Zemba AW, Kruk B, Chwalbinska-Moneta J, Titow-Stupnicka E, Bicz B, Krotkiewski M Department of Applied Physiology, Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw, Poland. Thirty overweight women participated in 8 week slimming program consisting of a self-controlled low-energy diet (4.2 MJ/day) supplemented with highly viscous fibres and mineral tablets containing calcium, potassium and sodium phosphates (Redusan Combi, Biokraft Pharma AB, Sweden). Half of the patients received in double blind manner mineral tablets during first 4 weeks and placebo (without phosphates) during next 4 weeks (group 1) while the remaining patients were treated (cross-over) with placebo first and mineral tablets in the final period (group 2). The rate of weight loss was similar in groups 1 and 2 (4.7 vs 5.2 kg during the first 4 weeks and 2.7 vs 3.0 kg in the further 4 weeks). During periods of phosphate supplementation, the resting metabolic rate (RMR) increased by approx. 12% (p < 0.05) in group 1 and 19% (p < 0.05) in group 2. Phosphate supplementation ameliorated also a decrease in plasma triiodothyronine level and a decrease in thyroxine to triiodothyronine ratio. There were no differences between groups in the plasma insulin, catecholamine, growth hormone, cortisol and testosterone levels. Phosphate supplementation did not affect plasma lipids or blood glucose concentration. It is concluded that phosphate supplementation in obese patients on a low-energy diet enhances RMR irrespectively of the rate of weight loss. This effect seems to be, at least partly, due to an influence of phosphates on peripheral metabolism of thyroid hormones. Publication Types: Clinical trial Randomized controlled trial PMID: 8807564, UI: 96401188 IP: Logged
elite hot topic Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 34)	posted May 05, 2000 02:43 PM Ha man i realy think that it is great that you made a decision of your own to stay natural, wether we are or not. But to you querstion depending on your bodyfat i would just cycle like 6 weeks go animal on the food then 6 weeks diet and e/c/a stack IP: Logged
dude Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 239)	posted May 05, 2000 03:53 PM I think you can increase your size and lose fat at the same time by using the anabolic diet. Also, I would throw in some xenadrine because it helps you get stronger and spares lean muscle mass. Just my opinions. IP: Logged
OMEGALOS Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 131)	posted May 05, 2000 05:48 PM Actually this is an anabolic discussion board, and by implication of the name YOUR TOPIC DOESNT BELONG HERE. IT DOES HOWEVER BELONG IN THE "DIET AND TRAINING BOARD" THAT GEORGE HAS PROVIDED FOR THE "NATURALS" LIKE YOURSELF. Im not angry or anything but go post there. ------------------ Concieve, believe, achieve! Kaz IP: Logged
CONCERETE MaSS Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 16)	posted May 06, 2000 10:35 AM i went from 106 kg to 93 kg and i was natural then i didnt also use a lot of supplements "only whey prot" !! just eat the lowest calories u can take with almost no fats the higher amounts of protiens ! remember to train everyday and in only one meal per week u can eat whatever u like ! i didnt do a lot of cardio maybe 1 day per week ! but believe me wiegths can do wonders !! ------------------ build it HaRD IP: Logged
Frackal Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 57)	posted May 06, 2000 12:16 PM I agree with Komo about the ABCDE diet. If you don't mind a visit to the Musclemedia website, click on this link: www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc1.asp and check it out. It should be a good program for what you want to do. IP: Logged
bouncer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123)	posted May 06, 2000 01:06 PM Hi Dolce you sound like good guy, never mind the critques here as regards being natural and using this board. If they'd read the board properly when it's loading they'd see that although it's called anabolic discussion board, the board tells you that it's a discussion board for all topics related to bodybuilding. You made an excellent point about the bond the members have formed here and that's why I stopped using other boards. I love to read some of the treads which are totally unrelated to A/S. They bring out the different personalities of the different members. As to your original question, well it is hard to answer without knowing your training experience, body type etc. but you have your work cut out for you. All the best. Bouncer ------------------ Whiskey was invented so that the Irish would'nt rule the world. ~The fighting Irish man~ IP: Logged
Puc Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 211)	posted May 06, 2000 01:44 PM TO ALL OF YOU WHO THINK "NATURAL" LIFTERS SHOULD GO AWAY!! I've heard time and time again that you shouldn't use steroids until A) You've reached your genetic potential B) You understand the physiology/pharmacology C) You are, at the minimum, 21 years old. So, MAYBE SOME OF THE NATURAL PEOPLE ARE HERE SO THAT THEY CAN LEARN WHILE THEY ARE STILL STRIVING FOR THEIR POTENTIAL. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EXCLUDE THEM SIMPLY FOR FOLLOWING BOARD ADVICE!!!!!!!!!! MAYBE THEY WANT NATURAL ADVICE TO HELP THEM REACH THEIR TRUE POTENTIAL BEFORE TAKING AS!!!!!!! WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO, NATURAL BOARDS??? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THOSE BOARDS??? ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO TAKE ADVICE FROM OUR FRIEND ADAM??????? I would write more but my fucking fingers are getting tired from holding down the shift key. I apologize for the all caps, but this is fucking ridiculous. Puc IP: Logged
Flex Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89)	posted May 06, 2000 03:45 PM i have to back PUC up here and say that i everyone should be natural until they are ready in every sense of the word to cycle....And this board is where you get some of that preperation...As for MR 22guage, im about fed up with your bullshit flames son, first you get on here and dog MARINES, now you want to harrass some dude with an intelligent question...You better hopr you never coe accross me or any of guy with any selfrespect from this board... My .02 ------------------ --"and remember, you dont have to misbehave, just look as though you could" IP: Logged

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