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conan69
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posted May 02, 2000 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for conan69   Click Here to Email conan69     Edit/Delete Message
if you read the post about steroids click here and get kicked in the nuts


he was booted and he cant even post for speaking his mind so i advise all of you to watch what you say

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LittleSavage34
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posted May 02, 2000 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LittleSavage34   Click Here to Email LittleSavage34     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 51221561
WHAT?! HE WAS BOOTED FOR HIS POST? That's bullshit...least in my opinion. Oops, I better rein that opinion in. God knows what wrath would be thrown down if I got booted for using my freedom of speech right.

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Pet Rock
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posted May 02, 2000 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pet Rock   Click Here to Email Pet Rock     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 802816
I don't have a problem with that. Even if he was right the fact is that when you pay for the board you can pick the content and the people that contribute.

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conan69
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posted May 02, 2000 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for conan69   Click Here to Email conan69     Edit/Delete Message
that is exactly how i feel
he emailed me this
"Hey bro, just to update I was booted from posting on board. George
accused me of black mailing him "hush money." That is 100% bull shit.
I have all e-mail's I sent to EF. I will forward to anyone who wants to
know the truth. I was only trying to look out for others now I can't
even post. I WILL MISS MY BROTHERS."


that was the email he sent me
they will probably delete this soon though

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LittleSavage34
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posted May 02, 2000 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LittleSavage34   Click Here to Email LittleSavage34     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 51221561
You misunderstood...he has the write to post what he wants within reason. The mods can monitor and delete his post, but the person SHOULD NOT be booted for stating his opinion. He has a right to inform others of his loss, and I am sure you would be thankful to be saved from a scammer. Maybe I'm wrong. You might like throwing money down the toilet.

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toni
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posted May 02, 2000 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for toni   Click Here to Email toni     Edit/Delete Message
ITS GEORGE'S BOARD AND I THINK HE COULD DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS..NO NEED TO CRY ABOUT IT...

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Quadzilla43
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posted May 02, 2000 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quadzilla43     Edit/Delete Message
every time we say something that george disagrees with we can be booted? i understand that maybe he shouldve gone about it a different way, maybe emailed a mod first and asked about the report, but to have his account deleted is bullshit. hope this isnt the last time u see old quadzilla.

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deadlifter
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posted May 02, 2000 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deadlifter     Edit/Delete Message
whether you agree or don't agree on whether he should have posted what he did, the fact remains that his account should not have been deleted. Delete the post...fine; but why delete another bro's account altogether? I know a monitor can come in and do whatever to my message...so be it, that's how the board goes..... I totally disagree with booting him altogether from the board. That's bullshit!

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dolce
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posted May 02, 2000 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dolce   Click Here to Email dolce     Edit/Delete Message
Elite fitness should not make a book with sources in it...It should only give tips on how not to get caught..So if they feel what you shouldn't use the sources, then dont put them in the book..

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studcj
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posted May 02, 2000 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for studcj   Click Here to Email studcj     Edit/Delete Message
BUMP
I wanna see what a mod says about this one.

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moe dank
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posted May 02, 2000 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moe dank   Click Here to Email moe dank     Edit/Delete Message
yeah i would have to call bullshit to. Delete the post but not the poster.

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300 kleen
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posted May 02, 2000 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 300 kleen   Click Here to Email 300 kleen     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think he should have been banned from the board. What does that say about Elite Fitness and their products?

George and the mods might want to rethink this decision.

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macrophage69alpha
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posted May 02, 2000 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
I have nothing to do with who is "booted" from the board- I cannot even verify one way or the other whether bradley9 has been booted- if he was I would hope that it was for more than just his criticism.
however, the board does belong to George and he seemed pretty upset about the manner and course of communications(read his reply) between bradley9 and Elitefitness- so what exactly has happened is anyones guess- I am sure he will address this- he addressed bradley9's original post.

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conan69
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posted May 02, 2000 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for conan69   Click Here to Email conan69     Edit/Delete Message
i have a copy of the email between bradley and elite if anyone is interested
just email me at my hushmail acct
[email protected]

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George Spellwin
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posted May 02, 2000 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for George Spellwin   Click Here to Email George Spellwin     Edit/Delete Message
Conan69 and all,

I respect your opinion and am happy to provide the forum for you to speak your mind. In fact, we have never booted anyone for speaking his mind � even when it was against Elite Fitness and Mass Quantities. Witness the occasional post that is highly critical of our supplements that has never been deleted or the posts that are angry that all of our reports are not free. Allowing ourselves to be criticized is one thing but allowing Bradley to threaten us is another.

Even though Bradley accused me of somehow kicking him and the Elite Fitness members and customers in the balls and claimed that he needed KY, because we had fucked him, we have left his posts on the site. I hope you can appreciate the fact that neither this site nor any of the moderators deleted any of Bradley�s posts. No other board on the net would be half so tolerant.

I have no problem with Bradley�s letting us know about people that he believes are scammers. In fact, I will be the first to thank him for sharing this information with our community. I do not even have a problem with his criticisms of me and the company.

However, Bradley threatened to slander us on the net if we did not make some kind of deal with him � free reports, free supplements, money, etc. I did not think he would really do this, so his account was not cancelled until he proved me wrong.

I hope you can appreciate the fact that we will allow him to list scammers on our site, and he can criticize me on my site, but I we will not tolerate his slandering Elite Fitness on the elitefitness.com site since we did not agree to give him some form of compensation for his drug deals gone bad.

Bradley got a very special price on this report and paid less than $6 for a report that cost most members $50. I am certain that his veiled threats were not merely to get a credit for the cost of a hamburger and Coke. And I also know that we cannot run this site selling our reports for that low of a price.

We have credited Bradley his $6 and I am truly sorry that he was scammed if in fact he really was. I hope you can respect our point of view as well.

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Capt'n_Crunch
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posted May 02, 2000 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capt'n_Crunch   Click Here to Email Capt'n_Crunch     Edit/Delete Message
WTF kinda BS is that......He shouldnt be deleted for posting what he said..he probably saved some of the bros from getting fucked over too....if anything the post should have been just deleted ....

Well now I have to edit this post, I guess me and George were posting at about the same time since I didnt see your post before I started writing mine....If what you say is true George than he deserved more than just getting kicked out. I can understand a guy being pissed about losing money, especially when he bet it on the word of someone he trusts and respects, but if he was in any form blackmailing you than the correct action was taken and I for one do respect that decision but I will definitely ask for those emails from conan.

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Diana Ball
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posted May 02, 2000 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana Ball   Click Here to Email Diana Ball     Edit/Delete Message
Capt'n_Crunch

He wasn't deleted for posting what he did, he got the ax for blackmailing George and in my mind he deserved it.

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deltman
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posted May 02, 2000 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deltman   Click Here to Email deltman     Edit/Delete Message
OUCH!!! Man this one is tough to swallow, I have to agree with LittleSavage and Quadzilla on this one. I'd like to think that our freedom to express our true feelings isn't limited here......... and then... the ambivalence....... at the same time, this board has afforded me the vast knowledge to be obtained from the vets and the mods that are willing to answer my questions about AS. I would like to see a compromise here of some sort, I think the "death sentence" was a little harsh, but I think I'll get the emails from Conan before I can truly decide if this was an appropriate measure in my opinion.

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UnrealBody
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posted May 02, 2000 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for UnrealBody   Click Here to Email UnrealBody     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70730336
Hey Conan, I'd like to see those e-mails! A lot of us have voiced our opinions about George's list and what kind of crap he sells and we haven't gotten booted. I'll wait and see what happens. Lets not get mad at the mods, I don't think they have anything to do with this.

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Pet Rock
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posted May 02, 2000 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pet Rock   Click Here to Email Pet Rock     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 802816
Anyone who supports bradly has never had someone try to blackmail them. I am all for free speech and speaking ones mind but it seems to me we should support George on this one. What would we be saying if bradly was allowed to blackmail George. Logged IP's, email addresses, and some snail mail addresses are just some of the information all of us have given on this board. Did you know that a semi skilled person could get your real name off just an IP address? I for one like the fact that George can't be blackmailed, or at least not for 50 bucks and some supplements.

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matty
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posted May 02, 2000 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
bradley9 also emailed me , and offered the transcripts of what happened between , George Spellwin and himself!
I was the 1st one to respond to bradley9 post, quote : hey bro i feel for ya! and i think you should say what
you feel, thats what this board is all about...."

and thats the way i still feel! i think its rediculous for him to be ejected, because of this!
I also feel that in contrary to what G.S.
quote: I am truly
sorry that he was scammed if in fact he really
was.
that this guy was in fact scammed and was rightly so pissed off, and i believe that G.S. making statements like that show that he is just trying to dis credit bradley in some way for some reason not know to the rest of us! I MEAN THE GUY AINT MAKIN THIS UP! AND HE WAS LOOKING OUT FOR US BY MAKING THE POST TO BEGIN WITH, WILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO GET G.S. ATTENTION BEING THAT HE DIDDENT RETURN HIS EMAILS!
And i think we should stand by him, he is a fellow brother!

and for all of you that were about to send money to the sources he named, that arent going to stand up for him, just remember that he saved your asses $$$$!
i think the whole thing is ridiculous including the way G.S. is handeling this, just my opinion and if i get the boot for this oh well life does go on!
i have a wife and 3 kids a home and a succesful bussiness, those things are what count....
i love the information and friends this board provides, and have learned much...
P E A C E !

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The Ranger
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posted May 02, 2000 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Ranger   Click Here to Email The Ranger     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 67366885
Well.....I'm not going to defend anybody......if bradely did in fact try to blackmail George and elitefitness.....in my opinion he got less than he deserved.....if on the other hand, what he said was true....so be it....and speak at will.
I will take the oppurtunity to say that George and I have had our fair share of disareements over some of my less than tasteful posts I've made<wink>!!
Not one time was they deleted without my prior knowledge, nor was I asked to delete them by George or a moderator.
In this game gentleman....you ask for a chance....sometimes you win....other times you get burned......that's why we call it the GAME!!
Professional ball players minimize their odds by doing homework....and so should we all.....it's not free and there's no guarentee gentleman!!!
Every Mod or Vet wil NEVER point someone in the wrong direction.....EVER!!!
If you are given a source...ask many, many, many board members.....ask for ref. I have a great source...but I still feel uncomfortable everytime I send hard earned cash....we all do!!!
For the vast amount of post this board has had.....and the vast number they have everyday....look at how many post that say..." I've been scammed!!" Not very many considering......the mods get hundreds of e-mails a day...unlike George, they do not have paid assistants....they do not get paid.....it's because they love the sport, and want all the Bro's to be safe.....I guess what I'm saying is ..... PEOPLE THINK!!!!!
I've been scammed as much as anyone.....no one's fault but mine....I guess it's as close a feeling to what a woman feels when she's been raped!!! It fucking sucks!!!
Whether right, or wrong....this is Georges site....and what he says goes.....whether or not it makes a difference in how we look at George in the future.....the bottom line is look out for your self first!!! Peace to my Brutha's!!!!

Ranger

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macrophage69alpha
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posted May 02, 2000 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
I really dont want to get more involved in this issue than I have too, but I have to say that if there is even the slightest truth to George's claims about blackmail- At this point I have no reason to doubt George or his claims(just trying to be objective)- Then he had every right to kick bradley9 off the site- How would you like it if you owned a business or website and a member of a FREE service that you provide threatened to blackmail you and slander your name because their illegal DRUG deal(sad but it is illegal and highly sketchy type of transaction)based on information you sold him, which was intended more as a how to manual(as opposed to source manual), went south? I think that you would respond in a similar manner.

Hey everybody is entitled to their opinion but blackmail(criminal) and slander(civil) are illegal, and unlike steroids, they should be.

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The Ranger
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posted May 02, 2000 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Ranger   Click Here to Email The Ranger     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 67366885
Again not taking sides....just want to see the big picture....but I do have to agree with Macro.....the rest may want to take a look at Bradely9's response to the thread...." Hey George, what about those T-shirts".....By littlesavage34!!!

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conan69
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posted May 02, 2000 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for conan69   Click Here to Email conan69     Edit/Delete Message
this is what bradley sent me
( I AM NOT TAKING SIDES, JUST SOMETHING SEEMS FISHY )

Bradley wrote: As you can tell by my e-mail, I was trying to be a
> good sport about things. As I read this mourning, you have a money
> back guarantee. No questions asked. Yesterday all I was asking for was
> alittle help. At that time I would have gladly accepted another
> report, maybe credit with Mass Quantities, I never asked for a refund.
> You could have kept my money, and offered something else and I would
> have happy. Sending me a brush off e-mail is very poor customer
> service. I guess you have so many customers, you can blow off unhappy
> ones. Ever heard of word of mouth? I was even been very polite and
> courteous. Well refund me. user name bradley9 password becky Do you
> need credit card number, or do you have on record ? I will be waiting
> your response
>
> EF Help wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. Bradley,
>> At 12:14 PM 4/26/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> I am bradley9, you have actually used a post of mine in an
>> advertisement
>> >>for 2000 report. George, that did not bother me in the least. Your
>>
>> >>discussion board makes one feel part of a family.
>> >>Straight to the point, I purchased your program for the
>> SOURCES!!!!!!!
>> >>All the other info was ok, but lets face it, those other issues
>> could be
>> >>found by doing searches and just be asking questions.
>> >>I am out over $380 at this time. I relied on two sources listed.
>> Both
>> >>are now being listed as a scammer! Deca Vega and the other highly
>> >>suspected because he will not reply any longer. You probably know
>> whom I
>> >>am referring to.(Brazil)
>> >>Well George, how can I feel good about this? I payed $40.00 to get
>>
>> >>burned for $380. As you can see, this sucks big time!!!
>> >>I realize that you have a very profitable product because its just
>> info
>> >>downloaded. Very low costs. I don't want to post anything about
>> this
>> >>situation on your board or other boards. I too am a business man,
>> a true
>> >>capitalist!
>> >>George, I am not making any threats, or trying to manipulate you
>> in
>> >>anyway. I am a hell of a nice guy, and thats why I am trying to
>> make
>> >>contact. Can you please review my points and come up with
>> something to
>> >>make me feel better about doing business together?
>> >>Thank you in advance!
>> >>bradley9
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in our products and services. We are
>> very
>> sorry that you lost money when trying to purchase anabolic steroids
>> from
>> one of the sources listed in the Secrets report 2000. Deca Vega has
>>
>> recently been added to the scammer section of this report when
>> several
>> Elite Fitness members gave us negative feedback about his
>> operation. As
>> you may know, Deca Vega was a legitimate source for Elite Fitness
>> members
>> at the time this report was written. Elite Fitness is in no way
>> affiliated
>> with any of the sources listed in the Secrets of Mail Order Success
>> 2000
>> report. Due to the sensitive nature of these illegal operations, we
>> hope
>> that you do not hold Elite Fitness responsible for any money that
>> was lost
>> during a mail order drug transaction. This is the disclaimer that
>> appears
>> on the top of the updated list of mail order operations page of the
>> report:
>>
>> ****PLEASE NOTE****
>> Elite Fitness does not endorse any illegal mailorder operations
>> including
>> the sources listed in this document. Neither the authors nor Elite
>> Fitness
>> assume any responsibility or liability for any actions taken by the
>> reader.
>> As always, order at your own risk.
>>
>> At Elite Fitness, we try to provide the best and most up to date
>> bodybuilding information to our members but we can not control the
>> actions
>> of a source listed in our report. I assure you that Deca Vega and
>> other
>> sources will be placed in the scammer section as soon as we receive
>> information that they are no longer providing services as they have
>> in the
>> past. Again we are very sorry about your loss and hope that you
>> continue
>> to use our services to reach our bodybuilding goals.
>> If you have any further questions, I can be contacted at
>> [email protected].
>>
>> Thanks again for your interest in our services.
>>
>> Elite Fitness Help
>> Elite Fitness Inc.
>> 217 W. 18TH Street
>> P.O. Box 1264
>> New York, N.Y. 10011
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champion
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posted May 03, 2000 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for champion   Click Here to Email champion     Edit/Delete Message
What a soap opera.

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dolce
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posted May 03, 2000 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dolce   Click Here to Email dolce     Edit/Delete Message
I think George was wrong...But I am on the other hand greatful to him founding our forum.

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el cubano
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posted May 03, 2000 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 61265596
LISTEN EVERYBODY, George would not ban someone from this site just because of there opinion, shit he and I disagree on some things and I'm not banned. This guy, bradley, must have done something really fucked up for George to ban him. If he really did try to blackmail George, he's lucky he isn't in jail or in court right now. I think that all of you defending bradley did not read George's post very well. And finally, just because bradley sent you a copy of the emails exchanged that doesn't mean that those were the emails exchanged. He could very easily changed what was said before he emailed them to you. Since I know George to be a fairly good and honest man I'd have to say he did what was right FOR HIS WEBSITE! SHIT, if someone tried to black mail me I'd beat the living fuck out of them.

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el cubano
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posted May 03, 2000 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 61265596
I forgot something, all the sources on that report are overseas sources. I think that everybody knows the risks of ordering from overseas. I have seen the report and all the sources on there were legit overseas pharmacies. Most have customs problems, but that is just the way it always is when ordering from overseas.

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TxCollegeguy
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posted May 03, 2000 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TxCollegeguy   Click Here to Email TxCollegeguy     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 48636409
I think everyone here has brought up good points....but a few things that I think need to be said again and then let's try to move on

1. Just about everyone on this board from time to time has dissagreed with something that a moderator, or George has said...
Therefore: Can anyone honestly believe that he was banned for his opinion

2. Anytime you make any form of purchase wether it's reguarding sensitive information or things from the store, does anyone not know the saying "Buyer beware" ???
Therefore: By purchasing the information off this board can we not say it's a relative safe bet that you are going to ASSUME THE RISKS with the purchase???

3. I have only been here since Jan and others way longer then I, but can anyone ever and I mean EVER remember a time that someone was given the boot for something that they said that didn't upset some if not all on this board???
Therefore: I would dare assume that somehow someway one of our Bro's crossed the line.

4. Has anyone EVER KNOWN GEORGE to be unfair on this board???

Since I have been on this board George has provided Myself and the rest of the members here with a free service...Not once was I ever asked for a donation, or given a notice forcing me to buy anything from him

All I'm saying is that We can argue from now till forever, and we might not get all the answers we are looking for. Given the cloudy circumstances surrounding the situation I feel that we should give George the Benefit of the doubt. George is also one of the bro's wether we say it or not. He's the one that owns this forum, and has the ultimate say as to what happens here. Until now no one has ever caused a problem like this, to my knowledge.

So what do you people think? Can we move on from this???

Keep PUMPING

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SSMAN
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posted May 03, 2000 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SSMAN   Click Here to Email SSMAN     Edit/Delete Message
In the 5 years I have been on this board I have never had any reason to doubt anything said by George. I have always found him to be very straight-forward in dealing with the issues.....not allowing his personal feelings to render the outcome. This is like selling your used car to a friend....just because you never had problems doesn't mean it will be the most reliable machine on earth forever. Buyer beware.....and if things go wrong chalk it up to experience and move on!!!

SSMAN

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Peanut
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posted May 03, 2000 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peanut   Click Here to Email Peanut     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not going to take any sides but whatever happened, happened and is over and done with, lets move on. I think most of you will agree with me when I say that at least 75% (personal opinion) of the people who purchased the Anabolics 2000 purchased it for the sources. George, would it be possible to delete the sources section from the publication, therefore preventing this from occurring in the future. Bradley wasn't the first person to be scammed by sources on the publication and he definately won't be the last. You have to admit, you're giving educated and uneducated steroid users a flame thrower and they're gonna get burned.

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lil'tex
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posted May 03, 2000 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lil'tex   Click Here to Email lil'tex     Edit/Delete Message
how can any of us form an opinion on this when we do not know the whole story? we have to remember that at the end of the day, this is still george's board. He can do whatever he wants to do. if the accusations of slander are true, then bradley9 should "sleep with the fishes" as Luca would say. this is a great board to be a part of, and as txcollegeguy said, anytime you mail order gear, you are taking a risk of being scammed. i find it hard to believe that bradley9 would have been deleted for merely expressing his opinion. there are questionable posts that do not get deleted all the time, and the only people that get booted off of the board are usually known scammers.

by the way, bradley9 did show some balls by going after george's product like he did. that has to be respected, and you have to remember that legit sources can turn into scammers at the blink of an eye.

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Big Brother Val
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posted May 03, 2000 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Brother Val   Click Here to Email Big Brother Val     Edit/Delete Message
My opinion is this: No I don't think Mr. Spellwin is wrong for taking Bradley off due to the slander deal. If someone was doggin' me... I'd beat their ass in.
I have no doubt that he was given the boot, not for expressing his opinion, but for the reasons Mr. Spellwin himself has given. Hell... if we got booted off for posts... I would have gotten kicked out a long time ago when I wrote that poem about protein shits on the board.
We have a lot of freedom here. All thanks to Mr. Spellwin. Do I think that maybe another route could have been taken? Absolutely.
But do I think anyone is in the wrong here? No.
We all take risks.
That's what this board is based off of. We're not talking about creatine here. We ALL know the risks involved. I'm sorry to see Bradley get the boot. Maybe they can reach an agreement of some sort... and he can come back.
Mr. Spellwin runs the show.
I respect this board, it's members, and without a doubt the moderaters and the owner himself.
I'm glad to be here. And if I get burned... it's my own damn fault for getting involved in illegal activity. If I didn't want the risk... I wouldn't do it.
Let's get past this. It won't do any of us any good.

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bignate73
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posted May 03, 2000 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bignate73   Click Here to Email bignate73     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 65081685
my take on this is quite simple.

slander and blackmail:
one doesnt have to say "hey george, im going to tell everyone you are this and that and this, if you dont give me $XXX.XX." Now look at it like this. would you percieve a threat if someone said, "now i dont really want to have to shoot you." of course you would. now lets take this quote ". I don't want to post anything about
>> this
>> >>situation on your board or other boards. I too am a business man,
>> a true
>> >>capitalist!
in that quote you can gather 2 things. 1) this person has implied slander or a negative feedback. 2) this person understands "caveat emptor" and also the fact that AS are illegal and noone can be held accountable for something they do that is against the law. the web is full of info on topics that can be subversive. you dont hear anyone saying "hey, this bomb recipe i downloaded from the internet blew me up, i want my share." you took the risk, and it bit you in the ass. plain and simple. whats next? someone orders from a source and asks george for a refund because the gear was fake? suck it up and move on. GS is in no way responsible for how people use the information he provides. if there is info on taking 1 gm of test and someone "thinks" that 2 gms will be better for gains and then ends up with DD tits, is George responsible? id like to think not. dont get swayed emotionally because someone got burned and you dont want that to happen to you. look at it rationally. the transaction was over as soon as the info was downloaded. as for getting booted from the board, thats obviously up to GS who stays and goes. plain and simple. of course everyone can speak their mind, but would you tolerate someone talking shit about you on your site?

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THESAINT
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posted May 03, 2000 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
Why don't we have George and bradley
discuss this topic in front of us, on the
chat board. The loser gets kicked in the balls!

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slim jim
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posted May 03, 2000 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for slim jim   Click Here to Email slim jim     Edit/Delete Message
LETS ALL GET ALONG AMEN

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johnny_lats
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posted May 03, 2000 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnny_lats   Click Here to Email johnny_lats     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 55639539
If Bradley just wanted to inform us Bro�s, why did he need to email and call GS at all? If he wanted to keep us from getting scammed, he could have just let us know like everyone else � why bother GS. Do you really think he went to this trouble for a $6 credit? He only went to the board after GS told him he would not pay for getting scammed.

JL

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Joe Juicer
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posted May 03, 2000 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Juicer   Click Here to Email Joe Juicer     Edit/Delete Message
This seems pretty clear to me:

bradley wanted george to comp him for his drug deal gone bad or he was going to post all kinds of bad shit about elite.

george comped him the price of the report and then booted him when bradely followed through with his threats.

i say the dude got what he deserved. the report was great (i bought it). but no where did it say "we'll offer you a money back guarantee if your drug deals with these internet 'roid peddlers go bad".

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Pokemon
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posted May 03, 2000 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pokemon   Click Here to Email Pokemon     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 209.167.1458.325
I like to dedicate this song to all the bros. here:

U.S.A. for Steriod: We Are the World

There comes a time when we need a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people trying to get big
Oh, and it's time to lend a hand to life
The greatest gift of all

We can't go on pretending day by day
That someone, somehow will soon make a change
We're all a part of God's great big family
And the truth - you know love is all we need

(CHORUS)
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
so let's start injecting
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

Well, send'em your gear
So they know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us
By turning stone to bread
And so we all must lend a helping hand

(REPEAT CHORUS)

When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe
There's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, let's realize
That one change can only come
When we stand together as one

(REPEAT CHORUS AND FADE)

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