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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted May 02, 2000 06:08 PM
if you read the post about steroids click here and get kicked in the nuts
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LittleSavage34 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 324) |
posted May 02, 2000 06:11 PM
WHAT?! HE WAS BOOTED FOR HIS POST? That's bullshit...least in my opinion. Oops, I better rein that opinion in. God knows what wrath would be thrown down if I got booted for using my freedom of speech right. ------------------ IP: Logged |
Pet Rock Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 51) |
posted May 02, 2000 06:12 PM
I don't have a problem with that. Even if he was right the fact is that when you pay for the board you can pick the content and the people that contribute. IP: Logged |
conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted May 02, 2000 06:14 PM
that is exactly how i feel he emailed me this "Hey bro, just to update I was booted from posting on board. George accused me of black mailing him "hush money." That is 100% bull shit. I have all e-mail's I sent to EF. I will forward to anyone who wants to know the truth. I was only trying to look out for others now I can't even post. I WILL MISS MY BROTHERS."
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LittleSavage34 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 324) |
posted May 02, 2000 06:14 PM
You misunderstood...he has the write to post what he wants within reason. The mods can monitor and delete his post, but the person SHOULD NOT be booted for stating his opinion. He has a right to inform others of his loss, and I am sure you would be thankful to be saved from a scammer. Maybe I'm wrong. You might like throwing money down the toilet. ------------------ IP: Logged |
toni Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 132) |
posted May 02, 2000 06:17 PM
ITS GEORGE'S BOARD AND I THINK HE COULD DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS..NO NEED TO CRY ABOUT IT... ------------------ IP: Logged |
Quadzilla43 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 288) |
posted May 02, 2000 06:43 PM
every time we say something that george disagrees with we can be booted? i understand that maybe he shouldve gone about it a different way, maybe emailed a mod first and asked about the report, but to have his account deleted is bullshit. hope this isnt the last time u see old quadzilla. ------------------ IP: Logged |
deadlifter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted May 02, 2000 07:01 PM
whether you agree or don't agree on whether he should have posted what he did, the fact remains that his account should not have been deleted. Delete the post...fine; but why delete another bro's account altogether? I know a monitor can come in and do whatever to my message...so be it, that's how the board goes..... I totally disagree with booting him altogether from the board. That's bullshit! ------------------ IP: Logged |
dolce Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted May 02, 2000 07:10 PM
Elite fitness should not make a book with sources in it...It should only give tips on how not to get caught..So if they feel what you shouldn't use the sources, then dont put them in the book.. IP: Logged |
studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 774) |
posted May 02, 2000 07:37 PM
BUMP I wanna see what a mod says about this one. ------------------ IP: Logged |
moe dank Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 285) |
posted May 02, 2000 07:40 PM
yeah i would have to call bullshit to. Delete the post but not the poster. IP: Logged |
300 kleen Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 905) |
posted May 02, 2000 07:42 PM
I don't think he should have been banned from the board. What does that say about Elite Fitness and their products? George and the mods might want to rethink this decision. ------------------ IP: Logged |
macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1319) |
posted May 02, 2000 07:51 PM
I have nothing to do with who is "booted" from the board- I cannot even verify one way or the other whether bradley9 has been booted- if he was I would hope that it was for more than just his criticism. however, the board does belong to George and he seemed pretty upset about the manner and course of communications(read his reply) between bradley9 and Elitefitness- so what exactly has happened is anyones guess- I am sure he will address this- he addressed bradley9's original post. ------------------ IP: Logged |
conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted May 02, 2000 08:00 PM
i have a copy of the email between bradley and elite if anyone is interested just email me at my hushmail acct [email protected] ------------------ IP: Logged |
George Spellwin Administrator (Total posts: 183) |
posted May 02, 2000 08:39 PM
Conan69 and all, I respect your opinion and am happy to provide the forum for you to speak your mind. In fact, we have never booted anyone for speaking his mind � even when it was against Elite Fitness and Mass Quantities. Witness the occasional post that is highly critical of our supplements that has never been deleted or the posts that are angry that all of our reports are not free. Allowing ourselves to be criticized is one thing but allowing Bradley to threaten us is another. Even though Bradley accused me of somehow kicking him and the Elite Fitness members and customers in the balls and claimed that he needed KY, because we had fucked him, we have left his posts on the site. I hope you can appreciate the fact that neither this site nor any of the moderators deleted any of Bradley�s posts. No other board on the net would be half so tolerant. I have no problem with Bradley�s letting us know about people that he believes are scammers. In fact, I will be the first to thank him for sharing this information with our community. I do not even have a problem with his criticisms of me and the company. However, Bradley threatened to slander us on the net if we did not make some kind of deal with him � free reports, free supplements, money, etc. I did not think he would really do this, so his account was not cancelled until he proved me wrong. I hope you can appreciate the fact that we will allow him to list scammers on our site, and he can criticize me on my site, but I we will not tolerate his slandering Elite Fitness on the elitefitness.com site since we did not agree to give him some form of compensation for his drug deals gone bad. Bradley got a very special price on this report and paid less than $6 for a report that cost most members $50. I am certain that his veiled threats were not merely to get a credit for the cost of a hamburger and Coke. And I also know that we cannot run this site selling our reports for that low of a price. We have credited Bradley his $6 and I am truly sorry that he was scammed if in fact he really was. I hope you can respect our point of view as well. ------------------ George George Spellwin
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Capt'n_Crunch Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 194) |
posted May 02, 2000 08:41 PM
WTF kinda BS is that......He shouldnt be deleted for posting what he said..he probably saved some of the bros from getting fucked over too....if anything the post should have been just deleted .... Well now I have to edit this post, I guess me and George were posting at about the same time since I didnt see your post before I started writing mine....If what you say is true George than he deserved more than just getting kicked out. I can understand a guy being pissed about losing money, especially when he bet it on the word of someone he trusts and respects, but if he was in any form blackmailing you than the correct action was taken and I for one do respect that decision but I will definitely ask for those emails from conan. [This message has been edited by Capt'n_Crunch (edited May 02, 2000).] IP: Logged |
Diana Ball Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 8) |
posted May 02, 2000 08:49 PM
Capt'n_Crunch He wasn't deleted for posting what he did, he got the ax for blackmailing George and in my mind he deserved it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
deltman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 401) |
posted May 02, 2000 08:57 PM
OUCH!!! Man this one is tough to swallow, I have to agree with LittleSavage and Quadzilla on this one. I'd like to think that our freedom to express our true feelings isn't limited here......... and then... the ambivalence....... at the same time, this board has afforded me the vast knowledge to be obtained from the vets and the mods that are willing to answer my questions about AS. I would like to see a compromise here of some sort, I think the "death sentence" was a little harsh, but I think I'll get the emails from Conan before I can truly decide if this was an appropriate measure in my opinion. deltman ------------------ IP: Logged |
UnrealBody Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 61) |
posted May 02, 2000 09:06 PM
Hey Conan, I'd like to see those e-mails! A lot of us have voiced our opinions about George's list and what kind of crap he sells and we haven't gotten booted. I'll wait and see what happens. Lets not get mad at the mods, I don't think they have anything to do with this. IP: Logged |
Pet Rock Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 51) |
posted May 02, 2000 09:08 PM
Anyone who supports bradly has never had someone try to blackmail them. I am all for free speech and speaking ones mind but it seems to me we should support George on this one. What would we be saying if bradly was allowed to blackmail George. Logged IP's, email addresses, and some snail mail addresses are just some of the information all of us have given on this board. Did you know that a semi skilled person could get your real name off just an IP address? I for one like the fact that George can't be blackmailed, or at least not for 50 bucks and some supplements. IP: Logged |
matty Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 429) |
posted May 02, 2000 09:14 PM
bradley9 also emailed me , and offered the transcripts of what happened between , George Spellwin and himself! I was the 1st one to respond to bradley9 post, quote : hey bro i feel for ya! and i think you should say what you feel, thats what this board is all about...." and thats the way i still feel! i think its rediculous for him to be ejected, because of this! and for all of you that were about to send money to the sources he named, that arent going to stand up for him, just remember that he saved your asses $$$$! ------------------ IP: Logged |
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 800) |
posted May 02, 2000 09:15 PM
Well.....I'm not going to defend anybody......if bradely did in fact try to blackmail George and elitefitness.....in my opinion he got less than he deserved.....if on the other hand, what he said was true....so be it....and speak at will. I will take the oppurtunity to say that George and I have had our fair share of disareements over some of my less than tasteful posts I've made<wink>!! Not one time was they deleted without my prior knowledge, nor was I asked to delete them by George or a moderator. In this game gentleman....you ask for a chance....sometimes you win....other times you get burned......that's why we call it the GAME!! Professional ball players minimize their odds by doing homework....and so should we all.....it's not free and there's no guarentee gentleman!!! Every Mod or Vet wil NEVER point someone in the wrong direction.....EVER!!! If you are given a source...ask many, many, many board members.....ask for ref. I have a great source...but I still feel uncomfortable everytime I send hard earned cash....we all do!!! For the vast amount of post this board has had.....and the vast number they have everyday....look at how many post that say..." I've been scammed!!" Not very many considering......the mods get hundreds of e-mails a day...unlike George, they do not have paid assistants....they do not get paid.....it's because they love the sport, and want all the Bro's to be safe.....I guess what I'm saying is ..... PEOPLE THINK!!!!! I've been scammed as much as anyone.....no one's fault but mine....I guess it's as close a feeling to what a woman feels when she's been raped!!! It fucking sucks!!! Whether right, or wrong....this is Georges site....and what he says goes.....whether or not it makes a difference in how we look at George in the future.....the bottom line is look out for your self first!!! Peace to my Brutha's!!!! Ranger IP: Logged |
macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1319) |
posted May 02, 2000 09:32 PM
I really dont want to get more involved in this issue than I have too, but I have to say that if there is even the slightest truth to George's claims about blackmail- At this point I have no reason to doubt George or his claims(just trying to be objective)- Then he had every right to kick bradley9 off the site- How would you like it if you owned a business or website and a member of a FREE service that you provide threatened to blackmail you and slander your name because their illegal DRUG deal(sad but it is illegal and highly sketchy type of transaction)based on information you sold him, which was intended more as a how to manual(as opposed to source manual), went south? I think that you would respond in a similar manner. Hey everybody is entitled to their opinion but blackmail(criminal) and slander(civil) are illegal, and unlike steroids, they should be. ------------------ IP: Logged |
The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 800) |
posted May 02, 2000 09:38 PM
Again not taking sides....just want to see the big picture....but I do have to agree with Macro.....the rest may want to take a look at Bradely9's response to the thread...." Hey George, what about those T-shirts".....By littlesavage34!!! Ranger IP: Logged |
conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 647) |
posted May 02, 2000 10:33 PM
this is what bradley sent me ( I AM NOT TAKING SIDES, JUST SOMETHING SEEMS FISHY ) Bradley wrote: As you can tell by my e-mail, I was trying to be a ------------------ IP: Logged |
champion Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 149) |
posted May 03, 2000 12:00 AM
What a soap opera. IP: Logged |
dolce Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted May 03, 2000 12:33 AM
I think George was wrong...But I am on the other hand greatful to him founding our forum. IP: Logged |
el cubano Moderator (Total posts: 456) |
posted May 03, 2000 01:09 AM
LISTEN EVERYBODY, George would not ban someone from this site just because of there opinion, shit he and I disagree on some things and I'm not banned. This guy, bradley, must have done something really fucked up for George to ban him. If he really did try to blackmail George, he's lucky he isn't in jail or in court right now. I think that all of you defending bradley did not read George's post very well. And finally, just because bradley sent you a copy of the emails exchanged that doesn't mean that those were the emails exchanged. He could very easily changed what was said before he emailed them to you. Since I know George to be a fairly good and honest man I'd have to say he did what was right FOR HIS WEBSITE! SHIT, if someone tried to black mail me I'd beat the living fuck out of them. ------------------ IP: Logged |
el cubano Moderator (Total posts: 456) |
posted May 03, 2000 01:13 AM
I forgot something, all the sources on that report are overseas sources. I think that everybody knows the risks of ordering from overseas. I have seen the report and all the sources on there were legit overseas pharmacies. Most have customs problems, but that is just the way it always is when ordering from overseas. ------------------ IP: Logged |
TxCollegeguy Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 275) |
posted May 03, 2000 02:11 AM
I think everyone here has brought up good points....but a few things that I think need to be said again and then let's try to move on 1. Just about everyone on this board from time to time has dissagreed with something that a moderator, or George has said... 2. Anytime you make any form of purchase wether it's reguarding sensitive information or things from the store, does anyone not know the saying "Buyer beware" ??? 3. I have only been here since Jan and others way longer then I, but can anyone ever and I mean EVER remember a time that someone was given the boot for something that they said that didn't upset some if not all on this board??? 4. Has anyone EVER KNOWN GEORGE to be unfair on this board??? Since I have been on this board George has provided Myself and the rest of the members here with a free service...Not once was I ever asked for a donation, or given a notice forcing me to buy anything from him All I'm saying is that We can argue from now till forever, and we might not get all the answers we are looking for. Given the cloudy circumstances surrounding the situation I feel that we should give George the Benefit of the doubt. George is also one of the bro's wether we say it or not. He's the one that owns this forum, and has the ultimate say as to what happens here. Until now no one has ever caused a problem like this, to my knowledge. So what do you people think? Can we move on from this??? Keep PUMPING [This message has been edited by TxCollegeguy (edited May 03, 2000).] IP: Logged |
SSMAN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 110) |
posted May 03, 2000 02:45 AM
In the 5 years I have been on this board I have never had any reason to doubt anything said by George. I have always found him to be very straight-forward in dealing with the issues.....not allowing his personal feelings to render the outcome. This is like selling your used car to a friend....just because you never had problems doesn't mean it will be the most reliable machine on earth forever. Buyer beware.....and if things go wrong chalk it up to experience and move on!!! SSMAN [This message has been edited by SSMAN (edited May 03, 2000).] IP: Logged |
Peanut Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 112) |
posted May 03, 2000 09:49 AM
I'm not going to take any sides but whatever happened, happened and is over and done with, lets move on. I think most of you will agree with me when I say that at least 75% (personal opinion) of the people who purchased the Anabolics 2000 purchased it for the sources. George, would it be possible to delete the sources section from the publication, therefore preventing this from occurring in the future. Bradley wasn't the first person to be scammed by sources on the publication and he definately won't be the last. You have to admit, you're giving educated and uneducated steroid users a flame thrower and they're gonna get burned. IP: Logged |
lil'tex Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted May 03, 2000 10:44 AM
how can any of us form an opinion on this when we do not know the whole story? we have to remember that at the end of the day, this is still george's board. He can do whatever he wants to do. if the accusations of slander are true, then bradley9 should "sleep with the fishes" as Luca would say. this is a great board to be a part of, and as txcollegeguy said, anytime you mail order gear, you are taking a risk of being scammed. i find it hard to believe that bradley9 would have been deleted for merely expressing his opinion. there are questionable posts that do not get deleted all the time, and the only people that get booted off of the board are usually known scammers. by the way, bradley9 did show some balls by going after george's product like he did. that has to be respected, and you have to remember that legit sources can turn into scammers at the blink of an eye. IP: Logged |
Big Brother Val Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 426) |
posted May 03, 2000 01:04 PM
My opinion is this: No I don't think Mr. Spellwin is wrong for taking Bradley off due to the slander deal. If someone was doggin' me... I'd beat their ass in. I have no doubt that he was given the boot, not for expressing his opinion, but for the reasons Mr. Spellwin himself has given. Hell... if we got booted off for posts... I would have gotten kicked out a long time ago when I wrote that poem about protein shits on the board. We have a lot of freedom here. All thanks to Mr. Spellwin. Do I think that maybe another route could have been taken? Absolutely. But do I think anyone is in the wrong here? No. We all take risks. That's what this board is based off of. We're not talking about creatine here. We ALL know the risks involved. I'm sorry to see Bradley get the boot. Maybe they can reach an agreement of some sort... and he can come back. Mr. Spellwin runs the show. I respect this board, it's members, and without a doubt the moderaters and the owner himself. I'm glad to be here. And if I get burned... it's my own damn fault for getting involved in illegal activity. If I didn't want the risk... I wouldn't do it. Let's get past this. It won't do any of us any good. IP: Logged |
bignate73 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 394) |
posted May 03, 2000 03:38 PM
my take on this is quite simple. slander and blackmail: IP: Logged |
THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 492) |
posted May 03, 2000 04:18 PM
Why don't we have George and bradley discuss this topic in front of us, on the chat board. The loser gets kicked in the balls! IP: Logged |
slim jim Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted May 03, 2000 04:32 PM
LETS ALL GET ALONG AMEN IP: Logged |
johnny_lats Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 29) |
posted May 03, 2000 06:01 PM
If Bradley just wanted to inform us Bro�s, why did he need to email and call GS at all? If he wanted to keep us from getting scammed, he could have just let us know like everyone else � why bother GS. Do you really think he went to this trouble for a $6 credit? He only went to the board after GS told him he would not pay for getting scammed. JL IP: Logged |
Joe Juicer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 218) |
posted May 03, 2000 06:17 PM
This seems pretty clear to me: bradley wanted george to comp him for his drug deal gone bad or he was going to post all kinds of bad shit about elite. george comped him the price of the report and then booted him when bradely followed through with his threats. i say the dude got what he deserved. the report was great (i bought it). but no where did it say "we'll offer you a money back guarantee if your drug deals with these internet 'roid peddlers go bad". ------------------ IP: Logged |
Pokemon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 47) |
posted May 03, 2000 06:22 PM
I like to dedicate this song to all the bros. here: U.S.A. for Steriod: We Are the World There comes a time when we need a certain call We can't go on pretending day by day (CHORUS) Well, send'em your gear (REPEAT CHORUS) When you're down and out (REPEAT CHORUS AND FADE) IP: Logged |
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