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PLYR4LIFE
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 29, 2000 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PLYR4LIFE   Click Here to Email PLYR4LIFE     Edit/Delete Message
oops, cant get it to align right. Help!

Please take a look at this: (I apologize for the length, but might as well let it all out)

I am 29yrs old, 6`0ft, 230 lbs. 20% bodyfat. Have had trouble with acne (face) associated with Sostenon. As you would guess by my stats, I would like to shed as much bodyfat as I can. Dont care about the weight, as long as I replace bodyfat weight with muscle weight (please..please..please..)

I will do cardio at least 5 times a week for 30 min in the a.m. I will eat a high protein, low carb, lowest possibe fat diet.


Week # Sust Primo Ultra Winny Thermo
wk1............300mg.......................
wk2....1 cc....400mg...300mg...........DNP
wk3....1 cc....400mg...300mg...........CLEN
wk4....1 cc....400mg...300mg...........CLEN
wk5....1 cc....400mg...400mg...........DNP
wk6....1 cc....400mg...400mg...150mg.........
wk7....1 cc....400mg...400mg...150mg...CLEN
wk8....1 cc....400mg...400mg...150mg...CLEN
wk9....1 cc....400mg...300mg...150mg.........
wk10...1 cc....300mg...200mg...150mg...DNP

(I will inject primo/ultra-300monday /100friday)

Questions?

Is my injection schedule ok?
Does my tapering look good?
Is clomid going to be necessary?
What liver protectors? (Cant seem to find all the ones E2 recommends)
Never used Eq or Winny. How do the dosages look?
Should I extend it to two more weeks?
Any diet tips you could share?
How hard will this cycle be on my hair. I am already getting thin up top? ( How I yearn to use Dbol but cant risk the hair losing sides-Damn it)

Alright guys...Let me hear it. Good or bad, I want to know. (if you could suggest any little piece of info to my cycle, I would really appreciate it)


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PLYR4LIFE
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 29, 2000 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PLYR4LIFE   Click Here to Email PLYR4LIFE     Edit/Delete Message
Finally got it close to alignment. Hope you guys wont have trouble? Got to go w/o...Thanks for your input.

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el cubano
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posted April 29, 2000 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 61265596
Hey man, you cycle is different but it looks cool to me. I assume that you are only taking sust to keep test levels up cuz at that dosage you won't see anything from it.

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The Cuban


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sasben
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posted April 29, 2000 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sasben   Click Here to Email sasben     Edit/Delete Message
I see you have Clen (i assume T3 as well) and DNP. If you have enough clen and dnp, why dont you cut the fat down to around 10% first, then use the sustanon/ultra for mass
(also using acne treatment products, there was a few recent threads on certain products so do a search) and use the primo and winny to extend your cycle and cut the fat (with a diet change)

Clomid should be apart of every cycle, quicker recoveries are vital to hold the mass regardless. More muscle better for metabolism. Get huge, cut fat second.
Or cut fat first, get huge, cut more fat again.

A Liver Protecter = Milk Thistle is an option

Fat loss diet tip off gear = Multiply your body weight in lbs x 10 aiming for 40% prot, 30% carbs and 30% fat (udos etc)

I personally would cut the fat with your thermos then get huge active muscle good for metabolism and get rid of the fat you put on with the cycle.

My 0.02

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PLYR4LIFE
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posted April 29, 2000 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PLYR4LIFE   Click Here to Email PLYR4LIFE     Edit/Delete Message
THANKS GUYS....... ANYBODY ELSE?

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sunnyman
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posted April 29, 2000 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunnyman   Click Here to Email sunnyman     Edit/Delete Message
I am a firm believer in using gear in short cycles. If I were to diet down with those items I would switch it around a little like this.
Sust Ultra Primo Winny
Week1 750 450
Week2 500 450
Week3 500 450
Week4 500 300
Week5 500 300
Week6 500 300
Week7 400 300
Week8 400 300
Week9 400 300
Week10 400 300
Week11 300 150
Week12 200 150

The high androgen should allow you to maintain most of your mass and should add a little. Definetly take clomid throughout the entire cycle and take nolv. if you start to get side effects. You did a good job starting the winny late since its best effective when you are somewhat lean. Hope this helps and good luck.

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the mechanic
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posted April 29, 2000 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the mechanic   Click Here to Email the mechanic     Edit/Delete Message
As mentioned above , your sus 250 is too low ( maybe you have a reason for it). I would take alot more, say 500 to 750 per week if you want results from the test. I go up to 1000 the first two weeks, 750 from then on.

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PLYR4LIFE
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posted April 29, 2000 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PLYR4LIFE   Click Here to Email PLYR4LIFE     Edit/Delete Message
My sust dosage is low because i fear the acne sides asociated with sust. Like I said the last time I used it at 500 I broke out bigtime. I am hoping to up it to 500 my third week if I dont see any acne evidence apearing.

As far as the winny, i plan to drink it. Hope it works just as well.

p.s. All this gear makes me want to jab myself every time I see it....

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PLYR4LIFE
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posted April 30, 2000 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PLYR4LIFE   Click Here to Email PLYR4LIFE     Edit/Delete Message
bump..................................................................................................

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