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studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 733) |
posted April 26, 2000 01:17 PM
  
Alot of guys in my area all want to get on juice and don't know where they can get it. I do know how to get it. They have no clue as to what they should be taking, how much they should take, and what price they should be paying. So my question is.......do I over charge them to make them pay for their ignorance? I could really use the money for upcoming cycles and stuff you know. What percentage of over charge do you think I should have?? These guys will almost pay anything. I will probably just be dealing with test prop., d-bol, clomid, and maybe some DNP or clen. What do you guys think? I know I may get flamed for this one.... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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kevin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted April 26, 2000 01:28 PM
If they are willing to pay "whatever" for it, then charge what you want. You may want to be nice if they are your friends. But, do what you want to do as long as your conciounce <sp> will allow. "kevin" IP: Logged |
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Peanut Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 103) |
posted April 26, 2000 01:47 PM
As long as you are informing your friends of the safe use of steroids then I wouldn't feel bad letting them pay for your cycles. Hell, charge them twice as much as you can get if for, that means one for them and one for you. You're would be taking on a huge responsibility by selling to them so you better make some money to justify the risk. Shame on them for not knowing what kind of price they should be getting. IP: Logged |
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Quadzilla43 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 266) |
posted April 26, 2000 02:40 PM
im with the other two guys, but there is one problem. if any of these guys ever get on elitefitness, or ask around and find out what they should be paying for roids, they are gonna be bullshit. so pissed u might have a bunch of roidheads threatening to kick ur ass. dealing roids is a dangerous game, especially if ur planning on screwing ur customers. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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demaroid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 26, 2000 02:54 PM
I would make a good profit meaning you had to do a lot of dirty work in getting the gear all they had to do was hand you the money. So if your giving them good safe advice I would charge them a good fair amount more than I paid for it but like another post said not too much that when they find out what fair prices are they come kick your ass!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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denmaur Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted April 26, 2000 03:20 PM
You don't need to rip them off but you are entitled to a nice profit. They have no other source, you're taking all the risk and going to the trouble to get the stuff for them. That's what business is all about. IP: Logged |
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JR Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 123) |
posted April 26, 2000 03:30 PM
FUCK YA OVER CHARGE YOUR DOING THEM A FAVOR OF GETTING IT FOR THEM. IF THEY ASK YOU WHY IT'S SO HIGH. JUST SAY THAT'S WHAT YOUR SOURCE SELLS THEM AT AND IF THEY FIND THEM ANY CHEAPER(WHICH THEY PROBABLY WONT) TELL THEM TO GET THEM FROM THERE. HOW DO YOU THINK PEOPLE MAKE MONEY IN THIS BUSINESS. AND THEY SHOULD'T GET MAD IF THEY FIND OUT THAT YOUR OVERPRICING THEM. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THIS ....YOU WANT ....I GOT....WITHOUT ME YOU CAN'T GET IT SO WHAT THE FUCK CHARGE WHAT EVER YOU WANT. BESIDES YOU CAN SCARE THEM WITH TELLING THEM HORROR STORIES OF GETTING BUNK SHIT OPPOSED TO YOUR LEGIT SHIT. SO OF COURSE NO ONE WANTS TO EXPERIENCE BUNK SHIT ON THEIR FIRST CYCLE. DUDE THEIR GOING TO FLOCK LIKE SEAGULLS TO YOU IF YOU OFFER TO DO THEM A FAVOR. IP: Logged |
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Kahn Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 57) |
posted April 26, 2000 03:32 PM
If they're in the game then they'll be happy to find lower prices, it's the market system. Tell them up front to look for better prices and if they find them it might be good for you, too. Charge what the market will bear, just be damn sure they all pay the same. You're the one carrying the risk of prison. Know who they are so they won't roll over on you. Be careful and good luck. IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 2652) |
posted April 26, 2000 03:41 PM
Charge them 2x what you pay for it. IP: Logged |
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rocky Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 188) |
posted April 26, 2000 03:58 PM
Yeah, I agree. 2X so your cycles are free. IP: Logged |
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fargs Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:05 PM
hell ya 2x they do not check the prices and research before they ask than it is their fualt. Besides you have they dont and they dont know what prices are. If they come after you later on just carry a bat and fuck them up hehehe just kidding just be careful IP: Logged |
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fith-element Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:08 PM
don't automatically assume thier idots about what they will pay and their depth of knowledge, my guess is your underestimating them IP: Logged |
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GearHead WannaBe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:22 PM
whether you're underestimating them or not, they can accept or reject your offer of charging approx. 2x market price (i.e., your price) for the Gear. You're taking the risk in getting it to them. I don't see why they would find that unconscionable. They have no right to get pissed later, they have the power to switch suppliers at their leisure. Just make sure you give them real stuff, or you'll deserve whatever you get. IP: Logged |
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studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 733) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:27 PM
fifth-element, these guys were going to pay almost $100 for 2 cc's of sust. I don't think I underestimated them. They were gonna take 2cc's of sus a month for two months. No clomid, d-bol, or anything. Real freakin idiots. I don't think underestimate is the word. And to all you guys e-mailing me: I am not a source and never will be, this post is strictly based on "what if". I never intend on selling/using roids. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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fith-element Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:36 PM
i would have no problem selling gear at 2x or buying at this price, if you want these people to come back for more maybe you should inform them about clomid, that would just make more money for you IP: Logged |
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Bullgator Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:37 PM
Go ahead and at least charge double. I had a friend who could almost charge triple to people because their just wasnt any other availabl source, and if your the main guy they will pay what it takes. Once they get older and smarter they probably find better and cheaper sources but thats just a price they had to pay then to achieve what they wanted. Bullgator IP: Logged |
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shmucko Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:44 PM
Everyone is ultimately responsible for their own actions. If they aren't resourceful enough to learn these things themselves, it's their own fault. It's not like there's not countless ways to get the info on such a serious matter as injecting drugs into their own bodies. They should be happy paying 2x. IP: Logged |
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Natural Wonder Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted April 26, 2000 04:53 PM
What I did with some people that wanted something: I find an effectif steroid, give them info on it (big ass print out), give them a lot of info on usage, training and nutrition and finally...overcharge! I don't feel bad because I provide so much extra service. Plus I'm making educated users. I know y'all like my style!!!  IP: Logged |
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GearHead WannaBe Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted April 26, 2000 05:06 PM
If they know you and they know the stuff is going to be real and you can provide them with potent and safe (non fake) stuff, then I would suggest many people would be happy to pay two or three times the going rate. Its serious business to inject a fluid into your body that you're not experienced with - even moreso when the fluid is contraband and you can't get it from a regular MD, who you can sue if he poisons you Someone like Bill Gates wouldn't mind paying $10,000 per D-Bol tab if he knew it was OK - its all a matter of materiality. If you maintain their trust (hypothetically) they shouldn't mind paying the freight... my opinion... IP: Logged |
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Slim Whitman Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 130) |
posted April 26, 2000 05:33 PM
I don't like the "what if" scenario!!! This is not intended as a flame, just useful information on your hypothetical question. Ask yourself these questions first: How many purchases have I really made? To me, there are to many of the "what if's" to make it worthwile for me to do such a thing. I can't speak for you, or anyone else. All I know is that I personally would not jeapordize my source or well being for a few people who don't have any understanding of the matter, the risks involved, or the proper use. The people who do not take the time to research and try to understand the matter and those who don't know the risks involved, aren't even worth my time personally. The best thing you can do is try to help educate them, and then it will be obvious who has the desire to continue further. It just seems like a lot of personal risks to take, especially for someone who says they will be going to AZ for school next fall. All those risks to save a few dollars now when you will be within a couple of hours of Mexico, and reducing your own personal cost dramatically. Just my two cents. Slim PS: EVERYTHING in this world takes hard work. Don't jepeordize yourself for someone that isn't willing to work hard.(I sound like my Dad!!!) IP: Logged |
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Adonis Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 334) |
posted April 26, 2000 05:38 PM
The street price is always more than what I pay, so yes make em pay until they figure it out. We all had to endure inflation and counterfiet products, until we got savy. Its the way of the world!!! IP: Logged |
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Marauder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 273) |
posted April 26, 2000 06:06 PM
Yeah, I mean, you gotta have some incentive to risk your ass goin to jail, but I wouldn't just rip em too hard unless you don't like them or something! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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coyote977 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 144) |
posted April 26, 2000 06:12 PM
Hey buddy you already have done all the leg work, so let the lazy people pay for the work that you have already done. IP: Logged |
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GEERHED Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted April 26, 2000 06:27 PM
One day a friend(1) introduces a friend(2). Friend(2) introduces a friend(3). Friend(3) introduces a friend(4). Friend(4) introduces you to handcuffs. All because friend(1) smacked his girlfriend one night and didn't want to do 30 days. Seen it happen. Don't deal. [This message has been edited by GEERHED (edited April 26, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 733) |
posted April 26, 2000 07:53 PM
You guys sure do make me think twice. Most of these guys all say they want to do 1 cycle and thats it ( they're playing FB next year too) due to testing. Getting busted would definitly ruin my life. Slim, your right, I haven't made too many orders but I have done the leg work and I know how to distinguish real from fake (from what I am ordering anyway) Thanks for lookin out. I am still gonna do it though. I guess money is the rude of all evil. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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airtyme Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 411) |
posted April 26, 2000 08:19 PM
2x the going rate. Just inform them that prices fluctuate from time to time. Tell them they might find it cheaper somewhere else, but if they want it now, then the price you named is the price they pay. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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NCLifter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
posted April 26, 2000 10:30 PM
Great post geerhead. I've seen it too, a friend of a friend gets in some shit and offers to turn in some dealer. Be careful. Never hold on to shit. 24 hr limit. NC IP: Logged |
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kram696969 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted April 27, 2000 03:34 AM
Yes, never hurt to have someone else pay for your gear. kram-mark IP: Logged |
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ozzymandius Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 242) |
posted April 27, 2000 04:01 AM
just remember karma bro. also if they were in your tribe why would you WANT to screw them. that'z just me though. IP: Logged |
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AY Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 25) |
posted April 27, 2000 08:16 AM
I think it would be best if you give them good info on AS and all the accessories they need. If you can advise them properly on the use and dosages of AS, you can easily win them over even if you decide to charge them more. Perhaps make it marginally more, 2x seems a bit steep. If they do discover the actual price in the future, they'd not totally freak out and they'll probably be more willing to forget consideirng you gave them good info. You never know, even if they find cheaper sources, they may come back to you if they know you're reliable and tell them the truth and your prices are not out of this world. Of course, the worse case scenario that Geerhed mentioned could occur.
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fith-element Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 27, 2000 01:15 PM
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jackabooswiift Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 52) |
posted April 27, 2000 04:00 PM
Personally, I wouldn't deal. I'm paranoid enough about possession, let alone dealing. Possession alone (in NY State) is a minimum $1,000 dollar fine and up to a year in prison for possession, I don't want to know what it is for dealing! Is having someone pay for your cycles worth possible jail time? If so, I would make sure that your buddies know up front that your charging them double. If there so desperate they will not care anyway. When people feel they've been swindled they get pissed (the many scammer posts on this board can attest to that), so why swindle?. Let them know that your doing them a favor by sticking your ass on the line, and that in return their going to pay you extra. If your honest with them in the beginning, they'll be less likely to take revenge when they find out what they should be paying. After all, it would be easy for one of them to call the police and leave an anonymous tip. [This message has been edited by jackabooswiift (edited April 28, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 733) |
posted April 27, 2000 07:19 PM
Well shit, Just so you guys know, I just decided not to do it. Too much to risk (football, college etc) I'll just stick with my job and earn the damn money myself. Thanks guys ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Juicer56 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 151) |
posted April 27, 2000 08:04 PM
knowlegde is power or in this case $$$ a lot of people pay too much for there first cycles because of this so don't worry about charging them more, besides you can always play dumb and say that was what you got it for IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 447) |
posted April 28, 2000 02:31 AM
it's a business so up the price for people that are most likly doing only one cycle, but if there really intreased and wanting to learn then go high at first, and if they come back for more lower them to normal. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Cornobbled Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted April 28, 2000 05:46 AM
If you decide to do it, you should be able to charge them at least 50% overhead. It is easy enough to explain. If you look around at different sources, there is usually at least a 50% difference. Just tell them that you have a good source that you know is legit and this is what he charges. If they don't like it then tell them to find thier own gear. If you are going to take the risk, you should be compensated acordingly. IP: Logged |
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yupyup Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1) |
posted April 28, 2000 10:34 AM
I have to agree with GEERHED and NCLifter on this, there's alot at risk here. I haven't used juice in over a year, mainly because the supplier got into a little bit of trouble when one of the morons he was selling to, had a big mouth and seemed that he liked bragging about how he was "Always Juiced Up". And since that happened, it seemed like alot more guys came into the gym, asking different people for "hook ups". Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don't take any chances. Be Safe. IP: Logged |
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