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 First cycle - worried about side effects
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Novice 
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Hey everyone, Been training for 5 years and have made good gains, but I now have decided it is time to take it one step further. I am extremely cautious and therefore I've decided to do a deca only cycle. What side effects can I expect from 200 mg/week of Deca for 8 weeks? What side effects are possible? Should I use clomid? All inputs appreciated! (Please dont reply telling me to get sust, dianabol or whatever. This is the cycle I'm doing)    | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2688 |
This can be a productive cycle if you dedicate yourself to a solid diet high in protien. I would first say up the deca to 300mg a week. YOu will see no differences in the side effects btween 200 and 300mg. This is your first cycle so make the best out of it. Remember deca is a very slow worker. 10 weeks would be better at making sure the new muscle will stay. The longer your body has to get used to the new muscle the better chance of keeping it. It you are set on 200mg for 8 weeks, then keep your diet clean and high in protien. 2 grams per lbs of bw. Clomid will be needed since deca has a negative effect on your hpta. Summary: 300mg will give you better results with no extra sides. 10 weeks will help you keep new muscle over 8 weeks. Keep us posted. ------------------ *** Dont email me asking for a source!!!!! *** "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime."  | ||
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Mutant  
Posts: 3478 |
Deca is not the safest steroid despite what you may have read. It is somewhat of a miracle steroid for some and a nightmare for others. 200mgs of deca will be good but you can risk getting gyno from it and this cannot be combatted with the use of arimidex, nolva or proviron. However it can be countered with the use of Ru 486 which is not readily available and if it was would be very expensive. I would strongly suggest getting some primobolan depot and using thatat 300mgs/wk for 8-10 weeks. You will notice a small increase in size and strength and the gains made will not only be solid but permanent. From this stage you can then evaluate your body composition changes and look into using heavier or more advanced steroids such as deca, test, dbol and so on. You could gain anywhere between 10-20lbs on primo depending on nutrition and a number of other factors. Primo does not aromatize and water retention and gyno are not even a part of the equation. If you were very serious about deca then look into eq instead. It will aromatize but normally at higher doses and gyno is not as much a problem as it is with deca. Nolvadex will help you if for any reason what so ever you do start noticing problems related to an increase in estrogen levels. Start clomid 2 weeks after your last injection and get 36 tabs of 50mg clomid. Peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 83 |
Deca is not the safest steroid despite what you may have read. It is somewhat of a miracle steroid for some and a nightmare for others. FYI for Toro: | ||
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Novice
Posts: 3 |
The Iron Game, I was aware that Primobolan Depot was an even "safer" choice. But I was under the impression that gains were little and that this drug was used mostly for stacking. But from what you are saying this might infact be the choice for me. Thanks for the advise. I will look into it. Anyone else have an idea of primo vs. deca/equi? | ||
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Mutant
Posts: 3478 |
I know someone who gained 15lbs on 200mgs of primo/wk for 8 weeks and has kept it all. If you do wish to use something slightly stronger then eq is the safer of the two (deca & eq) | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 19 |
Torro, if you're planning on using deca and not using any RU486, you should throw in some winny, not necessarily for the enhancement of the anabolic effect but to combat the progesterone side effects, such as gyno. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2688 |
Progesterone shouldnt come into play with doses under 400mg per week. I love when newbies throw in info the just read to sound knowledgable. ------------------ *** Dont email me asking for a source!!!!! *** "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Mutant
Posts: 3478 |
Have a read of this post, it is about the friend I was talking about who did 200mgs/wk of primo: https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/062849.html Unfortunately Lawnsaver, Ranger would get the dreaded problems on only 50mgs of deca I aint ever going near deca again! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 259 |
vote for primo | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 26 |
I would also recommend upping the deca to 300mg/week for 10 weeks. I would also add 200mg of aratest to make sure that you don't get the dreaded deca dick (and what the hell...it couldn't hurt). Immediately following the cycle I would also do 6 weeks of primo at 200mg/week to pretty much ensure that you keep all of your gains. You will also use your clomid like normal while on the primo because the primo doesn't affect your hpta. Good luck on your cycle. I hope that you meet your goals. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 341 |
Lawn...That is not totally true...I have experience gyno symptoms the 1st time I tried a Deca only cycle and anwhere above 300-350 I felt the G! Also this was a Brovel product so it probably wasn't even 300-350! I ain't no newbie either. I might not post a lot by I've been lurking for a while. BE CAREFUL WITH DECA! Cheers, Jay | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
I used deca at 300mg up to 400mg a week and gained a solid 15lbs. It was a Deca only cycle for 10 weeks. Everyone is right though, you must consume a shitload of protein to get maximum results. I really had no side effects from it and I kept a majority of my gains. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 182 |
Deca dick would be my only concern. Deca worked well for me, both times that I took it, until it was time to come off. Then Mr. Happy wasn't Mr. Happy anymore. USE CLOMID. I didn't and my dick wasn't really happy for months. Other than that, I think it works great. Peace! -- |
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posted April 24, 2001 03:40 PM