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Gyno-milker

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posted April 23, 2001 07:53 PM

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I should have been more clear "Any preventitive suggestions preparing myself for that highly aromtising new stack" and I also want my balls to work afterwards. I want to take lot's of sos-250 Deca D-bol and Winnie.

Proviron? Nolvadex? Hcg? Or fuck it all and sport that new bikini top at the beach this summer.... I already know HCG wont help with Gyno. But I want specific dosages of antiestrogen or blockers with a quantitiy and schedule...... and a schedule and dosage for keeping my nads from turning into peanuts.

I'm wanting to take a big stack but also want to be prepared for it.

Any sggestions guys for for

1. prevention "Estrogen"

2. post stack atrophy "hypognadism"

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Cornellius

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posted April 23, 2001 08:21 PM

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Arimidex is the awnswer.


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Gyno-milker

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posted April 23, 2001 09:46 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Cornellius:
Arimidex is the awnswer.


Too Expensive unless there is a very small dosage I could get away with..????


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athlete03

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posted April 24, 2001 12:27 AM

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You need to do some research. HCG won't help to prevent gyno. It simply acts as LH to temporarily jumpstart natural test production , it's main purpose being to combat testicular atrophy.


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Weam

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posted April 24, 2001 12:45 AM

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that's not everything athlete03, HCG will increase gyneacomastia
HCG contains the active substance Gonadotrophin which works as a leutinizing hormone & Follicle stimulating hormone which sends signals to make the body produce more Testosterone, Progesterone & Estrogen
HCG isn't a good choice at all


as for taking an Anti-estrogen, you should take an Estrogen antagonist as Proviron to prevents the aromatization of steroids
and an Anti-estrogen as Nolvadex or Clomid which works by blocking Estrogen receptors from binding to free & converted Estrogen which would bind to the receptors & cause gyneacomstia

also do not use Nolvadex unless you really noticed the symptoms of gyno, Nolvadex decrease the gains of the cycle by suppressing Growth hormone, IGF-1 & other growth factors

Proviron at a dosages 25mg/day to 50mg/day in a conjunction with Clomid at a dosages of 50mg/day every day to everyother during during the whole cycle


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PhatD

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posted April 24, 2001 02:03 AM

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Plus, nolva won't help with deca. Deca aromatizes into progesterone, which nolva can't touch. You need either RU-486, or winny for that. Or, you can use arimidex or proviron, which don't merely bind receptors for the aromatized estrogen and progesterin molecules, they prevent the roids from aromatizing to begin with. -PhatD

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Weam

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posted April 24, 2001 02:28 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by PhatD:
Plus, nolva won't help with deca. Deca aromatizes into progesterone, which nolva can't touch. You need either RU-486, or winny for that. Or, you can use arimidex or proviron, which don't merely bind receptors for the aromatized estrogen and progesterin molecules, they prevent the roids from aromatizing to begin with. -PhatD


What are you talking about, what's your saying is almost wrong
first Nandrolone a.k.a Deca do not aromatise to Estrogen nor to Progesterone, there is nothing called aromatise to Progesterone, aromatase is an enzyme which converts Testosterone to Estrogen only, it have nothing to do with Progesterone, the body cannot convert Testosterone to Progesterone at anyway

but Nandrolone is classified as a Progestin with a progesterone hormone like activity as it's classified as a 19-nor Progesterone & 19-nor Testosterone, as it's a Progestin it will bind to the Progesterone receptors inside the breast tissue & cause the enlargment,

but Nandrolone converts to Estrogen not with the random aromatise process but as it's classified as a 19-nor Testosterone this means that there is no carbon at the 19 position of the molecule then this which prevents the binding of the enzyme called aromatase, but it will converts to Estrogen through the action of organic acids or alkalines in the body that act on nandrolone after it is converted to its 1-beta hydroxylated derivative.
also it converts to Estrogen as low as 20% if compared to Testosterone

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