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mor123

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posted April 23, 2001 02:01 PM

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weeks====Suspension=====Finabolan
1===========300mg=========250mg
2===========300mg=========250mg
3===========400mg=========250mg
4===========400===========300==
5===========300===========300==
6===========300===========300==
7=========================300==
8=========================150==

first cycle what do ya think?


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KINGKONG69

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posted April 23, 2001 02:10 PM

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THAT A REAL FUCKED UP FIRST CYCLE, TRY AGAIN


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mor123

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posted April 23, 2001 02:15 PM

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Explain


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kingjohn

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posted April 23, 2001 02:20 PM

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hey bro-

kingkong is right. That is a pretty fucked up cycle....this isn't a flame but there's a ton of good threads in the archive on first time cycles....check them out and then post what you've got and everyone can help tweak it.

Over the past few months I've done the same thing and I'll be doing my first well researched and complete cycle soon. It can be overwhelming reading through all the info available as there are many different and experienced opinions on the subject. Part of it is coming to your own conclusions based on the knowledge and experience from the members of this board.

Good luck and post on your progress brotha


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The Iron Game

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Mor, no disrespect to yourself but this is your fifth attempt at creating a first cycle. Why are you trying to be so different?

First cycle and you want to use, what can be considered as two very hard steroids.

Why be different when you can use something so simple that works. Many hardcore bb's dont even use suspension. What are you thinking?

Enanthate 1-8 500mgs/wk
Eq wk 1-8 400mgs/wk

or

Eq wk 1-10 400mgs/wk
dbol wk 1-5 25mgs/day

Stop complicating things for yourself

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mor123

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posted April 23, 2001 02:32 PM

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I understand everything that you guys are saying but as long as I have the nolvadex and clomid what does it matter? I mean what is the difference between first and the 8th cycle? really I have done my research and I have lots of friends that compete and can help me. My buddy who has done a good amount of cycles is doing the same one so he can take me through it as well.

Plus that cycle is relatively cheap. To do deca/sus/dbol would cost a fortune.

Let me know...


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mor123

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posted April 23, 2001 02:52 PM

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I will post my results this summer and let you know how things are going on it. And let you know if my ass falls off. haha


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tbod1

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posted April 23, 2001 03:10 PM

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Mor...listen to the bros on the board. You are gonna listen to a couple of buddies who compete instead of thousand's of bros on this board who've been doing this for years? Whether this is your first cycle or not, don't you want to get the most from it?


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NYStrip

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posted April 23, 2001 03:21 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by The Iron Game:

Enanthate 1-8 500mgs/wk
Eq wk 1-8 400mgs/wk

or

Eq wk 1-10 400mgs/wk
dbol wk 1-5 25mgs/day

Stop complicating things for yourself



Mor, listen to the vet, dude. The dbol/EQ is truly a signature first-timer's cycle.

Why not try it?


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lawnsaver

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posted April 23, 2001 03:47 PM

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What is nolvadex going to do for the progesterone that is activated by all that tren? The conversion of estrogen with susp is huge. Nolva will work, but if you are not careful, you can get a bad rebound effect when you stop the nolva.

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Pharm Animal

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posted April 23, 2001 04:23 PM

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trenbolone does not cause huge problems in progestogenic side effects. but lawn is right....the nolvadex will not be very useful with only 400 mgs a week of suspension.

i am really tired of all these guys (probably all newbies) who do "summer cycles". WTF exactly is a summer cycle? i am guessing the kids have no school during the summer and can eat all of mommy and daddy's food. and they probably don't have much else better to do without school. i guess them doing roids is better than these kids being theives and delinquents.


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mor123

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posted April 23, 2001 09:26 PM

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Hey of all of the people who posted replies how many of you have done suspension?

Just wondering.

PHAT ANIMAL. Maybe before you open your yap you should figure out who your talking to and look at yourself. Eating all my parents food? I'm a Computer Programmer Analyst so I make a little more than you make flippin burgers during the day and bouncing at a gay bar.

Have you ever competed? Probably not. I have and I did it natural. I've never done a cycle and I weigh 230 at 6'2 at around 9% bodyfat. When I competed I was working 60+ hours a week and I had to walk an hour to the gym and back AFTER my hour cardio before and after my workout. I weighed 250 three months before and dropped 50 pounds to compete at 200 DRUG FREE.

So don't talk to me about dedication bud because sticking a needle in your ass more than me doesn't define it.


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BOXER10

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posted April 23, 2001 09:29 PM

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hey bros

lawnsaver can you explain the rebound effect of nolvadex

Irongame - is there any reaon to taper off eq.

Peace


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Pharm Animal

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posted April 24, 2001 12:37 AM

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mor123, damn bro chill out.

sounds to me as if you've got something to prove. yawn.


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lawnsaver

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posted April 24, 2001 12:59 AM

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Nolvadex only blocks the side effects estrogen brings on. The estrogen is still there. If you were to stop the nolva before you have restored your natural test level, the estrogen will rush in and all of the side effects that you wanted to avoid will come at you like a swarm of locust.

Proviron or even better, arimidex will actually block the conversion and production of estrogen. This leaves no chance of a rebound effect, sicne there would be no build up of estrogen.

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Too Huge

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Hey MOR123...

I hate to say it but that cycle is a little strange. Its not something that experienced juicers would even do. I think you need to add more shit to it!! Your first cycle is always your best so don't waste it. You need to add some deca and an oral like d-bol or drol!


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mrhamilton

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posted April 24, 2001 01:31 AM

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hey mor whats up bro? please don't get defensive when some good bros go out of their ways to try and help you out. you might be an experienced "lifter", but if you are not an experienced "user" then it would be in your best interests to listen to some of us.
a first cycle is not only going to be your best, it is also going to be your most dangerous because you don't know how your body is going to react to the juice.

IMHO the best first cycle would be:
weeks 1-8 500mg sust
weeks 1-5 25mg d-bol every day
and if you want you can add
weeks 1-8 400mg eq,deca,or primo

i promise that you will be happier with the results, and it will break you in a little gentler! PEACE!!!!

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ALL THIS INCOME FROM BEING A COMPUTER ANALYST AND YOU CANT AFFORD A CAR LET ALONE A DECENT CYCLE?YOUR CYCLE IS OUTLANDISH,TRY AGAIN.

SUST,EQ,DBOL PERHAPS?

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juiceparty

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YOU SHOULD AD AN ORAL LIKE DBOL OR SOME EQ YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION YOU WERE A ALL NATURAL LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE HERE WHERE NOT DRUGIES BUT WE KNOW WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT DON'T BE STUPID YOU WANT TO GAIN OR NOT I WISH I KNEW YOU AND YOU WERE THE SAME SIZE AS ME AND WE COULD HAVE A CONTEST WHO'D GET BIGGER BELIEF ME YOU'D LOSE WHY YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER


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Mor, I have tried suspension. But since everyone has told you to change and you keep arguing and trying to justify your cycle is good, then learn the hardway.

Boxer, there is no reason to taper off eq.

Juiceparty, he is using suspension, whatis the point in adding an oral?

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juiceparty

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MORE GAINS IRON HAVE YOU TRIED THE D BOLS GOING AROUND THE PEOPLE I'M HANGING WITH ARE GETTING INCREDIBLE GAINS THEY ALSO ARE ON SUS,EQ AND BUT JUST KICKED IN THE D'S AND GAINED 10 IN A WEEK


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Bubba

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What I think the Vets are trying to say is you have fresh clean receptors and might being jumping in the deep end before learning to swim. Personally I would do a little more research. Just search first cycles on this board and you should get some good hits. Good luck and keep us posted on your gains. No matter what you choose to do.

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posted April 24, 2001 04:22 AM

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Suspension will give far greater gains than dbol.


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posted April 24, 2001 04:25 AM

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IRON AND THE 2 TOGETHER ???


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quote:
Originally posted by juiceparty:
IRON AND THE 2 TOGETHER ???

Blood pressure, excessive acne, possible hair problems etc


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posted April 24, 2001 04:33 AM

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THANKS JUST WANT TO KNOW


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In my opinion,you and your friends are IDIOTS!!!!!! There is a HUGE difference between your 1st and maybe 8th cycle.....HUGE!!!! It's never the same as your fist several...anyone who has done as many as I have should agree!!!! Go with something simple...it's just that easy.

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My first cycle was 200 deca for 12 weeks.

I did it after lifting for several YEARS and making my body go as far as it could naturally. (wish I got smarter sooner)

On just the Deca I honestly put on a solid 25lbs and my nips got sore...got a little gyno. My body was totally reacting like never before.

I clearly remember my bench went from 275lbs for 6-7 reps to 315 for 6 reps for example.

Later I did Sus250 stacked with 400deca and still nothing even came close to that first time gain.

And it was a permanant gain. I lost about five pounds of the 25...and that was five years ago.

I'm not suggesting YOU do 200mg...that was my personal experience. I think I'm pretty sensitive to the juice.

I'm just saying go easy for starters so you'll have some room to get into the harsh stuff later.


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Mor
you are crazy attacking Pharm Animal. he is in amazing shape. he competes and has more experience than 95% of people on this board. go to Anabolic fitness and check out his pic. you'll shit your pants


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big4rt

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posted April 24, 2001 11:01 AM

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you are crazy attacking that cat


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mor123

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Can you feel the love in this room?

Thanks for all the help boys and maybe I'll consider just the fina for the summer but..... WHO KNOWS!

Guess I won't know till I get there.

Oh and to all the suggestions on dbol deca eq etc.... It is contest time and I can't get any of that right now just susp, fina, cyp and some others but thanks for all the advice bro's.

Yeah now I am takin deep breaths my bad. I am in some crazy shit lately and was stressed out. My bad PHARM.

Thanks again boys. Think about what Y'ALL said.


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Pharm Animal

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no harm, no foul, bro

if it's precontest stack you are doing, i think you'll do okay with fina and suspension. try to add arimidex or nolvadex (arimidex preferred) to the suspension. since nothing really effectively combats the progestogenic sides from fina (except for RU486), i would say limit it's intake to 40-50 mg every day....and try to do every day injections with it, just to get a more even level in your blood. i'd say do daily with suspension too. good luck bro....i would not want to stick myself with suspension every day (OUCH!)


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