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  I am 20 years old (birthday in late august) am I too young to start gear?

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Jered

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posted April 21, 2001 11:35 AM

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What do you all think. I have trained since I was 15. My current stats are 5 foot 11 inches, 198 pounds about 12 - 14 percent bodyfat.
WIll I mess up my growth at all by doing roids now? I am sure I am done growing height wise as I haven't gotten any taller since I was about 17. However what about other bones structures like the ones in my face?
I have alot of testosterone and arimidex and what to do these drugs. Am I being unwise to start now or should I wait until 21? 25? I'd aprreciate the older guy's opinions on this one.


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Weam

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posted April 21, 2001 11:44 AM

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20 is the best age to start, also I started at 14 with Testosterone replacement therapy & at age of 17 "when growth plate had been fused" a heavy cycles
also you might use 600mg of Testosterone per week, an Atomatise antagonist as Proviron would be fine, maybe Estrogen receptors blocker as Nolvadex or Clomid can be taken just if symptoms of gyneacomstia appeard

There is no need for adding another Steroid, you'll add a very good amount of muscle mass with such doses

Note : I didn't meant by that every body will going to stop growing at age of 17, other can grow even at age of 20, it depends on the epiphyseal bone closure process, I just diagnose that my plates had been fused by an X-ray scan


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posted April 21, 2001 11:46 AM

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20 is real young to start juicing. your test level is high as hell right now. i suggest you stay with oct sup and training hard. afterall, it's your body. you can do what you desire to but heed this: you might be ok for now but when you get a little older, your test level will decline tremendously. is it worth it i ask you?


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Jered

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posted April 21, 2001 11:58 AM

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More opinions?
THe one thing I am most worried about is if it makes the face look abnormal to start juicing at 20. I notice that people's faces look alot different form 20 to 25.

ALso my natural testosterone levels are not so high even though I am 20. It si a myth that all 20 year olds ahve testosterone levels throughthe roof. A guy at 50 can have highr levels than aguy at 20. I had my levels checked twice and they came in at 420 and 510 ng/dl. THe doctor said this is perfectly normal but I wish they were a little higher, especialy since there is this notion that guys my age should have testosterone levels lik 10000 or something.


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Jered

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posted April 21, 2001 12:13 PM

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bump


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Beezers

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It is a fine point you make that not all 20 year olds testosterone levels are sky high. This is comletely dependent on the individual. Some 20 year olds have vey low test levels...some are just in the middle of the reference range. Peaople assume too many times that younger individuals are all alike in regards to physiological function and that for some reason everybody becomes drastically different from everyone else once they get to 25 or 30. It is not right to label everyone whom is young as having the ability to pack on lean body mass because they are young and have high test levels. That's just not the case. This decison is soley up to you. If you are confident in your knowledge in the far more important aspects of bodybuilding or strength training such as trainin, diet, and rest then you have a good foundation to work with. If you feel you understand your body and are able to manipulate it through variations in training and diet then you are ahead of most your age. If you are responsible and dedicated then that's another possitive atribute that you must have to use AS. You have been training for 5 years now which shows dedication and progress. The biggest influence in your decision is going to be your goals. Why is it that you want to use AS. Do you plan to compete, maybe model. Do you feel it can wait and you can progress a good ways further without the aid of anabolics or do you feel you need to seize the opporitunity and open up options throught the use of AS. Options like competitive bodybuilding, competitive athletics, or even as I mentioned earlier modeling. Is it for a personal agenda...self confidence boost that is badly needed. All are valid reasons to push the limits, but that is dependant on the person using. Responsibility and knowledge are crucial. I don't beleive 20 is too young, but for some it is. Those who lack responsibility, dedication, and knowledge simply won't make good use of AS. AS only enhance what you have. If you have nothing to enhance, like a good foundation, good dietary habits, knowledgable training techniques, and an unquenchable desire, then anabolics won't help you. You have to make them work and that takes know-how on your part. It's your body and mind.


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Jered

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posted April 21, 2001 01:29 PM

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fistfullofsteel

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posted April 21, 2001 02:45 PM

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wait until you turn 20 and once you do, hit that shit. go one more summer without it and during the fall and the winter become a monster.


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posted April 21, 2001 03:31 PM

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I started when I was 19 and things are going well!

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JUSTINCREDBOL

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posted April 21, 2001 03:34 PM

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you're done growing bro and if you're gonna do it, you're gonna do it. nothing we can say can change that if you've made up your mind. Just be safe and work hard!!!!


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ROIDJUNKIE

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posted April 21, 2001 03:38 PM

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I think 24 is the best time just my opinion


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Phreaky

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Although many people I know started around your age, I beleive that you should wait. I know this is not the answer you are looking for, but you will thank me in the end. Here is my suggestion: Test your BF% and LBM to get an accurate measure of where you stand right now. Then try to add at least 10lbs of LBM naturally. When you can acheieve this then start your cycle. This will provide you with some incentive to stay natural for a little bit longer and help you to max your gains!

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LittleSavage34

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I started when I was 20 too...pretty much the exact same age as you, since it was about 5 months before my Bday too. I don't see many problems that could occur from this. You won't get too much taller, and your test levels might have taken a dip coming out of your teen years. Plus, this is when you have the most time to lift and would be the most motivated. I say start off with a small cycle to get the feel of things. Maybe something like:

Weeks 1-4
Sust - 500mg (or 750 if you feel saucy)
Fina - 75mg/EOD
Ref B - 2CC/day

Weeks 5-8
Sust - same...
Ref B - same...

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badazzwhitedude

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posted April 21, 2001 04:27 PM

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If you feel that you are a fully developed male, and have no more growing to do in any way (which is most likely the case), than I would say go for it.

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Rugby

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posted April 21, 2001 04:49 PM

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Bro... I am 18 now, i started at 16... It was the best decision i had ever made... I started slow, and now i just started a year round cycle... I love it. Go for it... You are 2 years older than me.

BTW-it wont fuck your face up...


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juiceHOP

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posted April 21, 2001 07:48 PM

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I'm not saying it is right or wrong but I am 20 and in my first cycle know.


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Jered

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posted April 21, 2001 07:54 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by ROIDJUNKIE:
I think 24 is the best time just my opinion

WHy do you think that 24 is the best age to start? You don't list any reasons. Could you be more specific as to why you have this opinion.


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Jered

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quote:
Originally posted by Phreaky:
Although many people I know started around your age, I beleive that you should wait. I know this is not the answer you are looking for, but you will thank me in the end. Here is my suggestion: Test your BF% and LBM to get an accurate measure of where you stand right now. Then try to add at least 10lbs of LBM naturally. When you can acheieve this then start your cycle. This will provide you with some incentive to stay natural for a little bit longer and help you to max your gains!



Thanks for the opinion but you don't say why it is that you think it is a good idea to wait.


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Champ

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posted April 21, 2001 08:20 PM

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Im 20...its cool bro....anavar wont stunt you growth..but not many 20 year olds can afford that


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mike001

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posted April 21, 2001 08:22 PM

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90% of us started at 16 LOL, 20 is great!

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bigkraut

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That depends on you. I made some killer gains naturally well into my late 20's so I didn't bother with juice. Seemed like a waste of money at that point. When the gains stopped, I said "now is the time". I was an easy gainer though, with great genetics for size and strength. Now this is a common sense question you ask, so here is my common sense answer. You've put the time in, you're nearly 200 pounds so your base is good, yes, you are plenty old enough in my opinion, I've seen guys start a lot younger with no problems. If you are gaining like a mofo naturally, stay natural and take advantage of the free muscle until you hit the wall. If your gains have stopped, there is no point in beating your head against a wall, it's time to juice. Just make sure you have your diet ad training dialed in so you get the most of it. Good luck.


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