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way2thin

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posted April 18, 2001 09:47 PM

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Do you think i will need nolva With a cycle of 250mg sust every Mon. & Thur. for 10 weeks and a kick start of 20mg D-bol every day (mon.-fri), weekends off. for the first 5 week & of course clomid at the end.

this is my second cycle the first being 10 amps of sust, 1 aweek ended with clomid & no sides to speak of. maybe alittle acne on my back but I do mean very little acne. my balls didnt even shrik to bad. Thanks for your help


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anabolic24/7

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posted April 18, 2001 09:49 PM

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It's always good to have on hand.


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lawnsaver

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posted April 18, 2001 09:50 PM

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It depends. If you are ok with a little bloat and the possibilty of gyno, if your prone, then clomid will be fine.

I, on the other hand, like a leaner, harder look. I would put it some nolva with proviron, but thats me. I like to keep the bloat off. It makes my muscles look better.

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way2thin

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posted April 18, 2001 10:59 PM

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Ok so if I add say 25mg a day of proviron (witch i think I understand will add a harder look and help with the possible gyno thing) I still need the clomid right?
Weeks 1-10 250mg sust Mon.& Thur.
Weeks 1-10 25mg a day proviron
Weeks 1-5 20mg a day D-bol (no weekends)
Clomid to end ?

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lawnsaver

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posted April 18, 2001 11:04 PM

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You should be fine with that. Have some nolva on hand just incase, Its cheap so pick it up. Clomid is a must with every cycle.

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RabbidWolverine

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posted April 18, 2001 11:11 PM

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I would go with this---

Milk thistle 800mg starting 2 weeks before cycle--continuing through out cycle-
Wk 1-8 Sustanon 500mg
Wk 1-4(6) Dbol 40mg

Clomid w/cycle good anti-estrogen if you need
or 50/100/50mg 3 weeks post-cycle

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lawnsaver

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posted April 18, 2001 11:20 PM

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FOR THE LAST TIME!!!!!! dont take clomid during your cycle. You build a tolerence to it which makes it less effective when you really need it. Leave the antiestrogens to nolvadex, proviron, and arimidex.

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way2thin

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posted April 18, 2001 11:25 PM

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Thanks Lawnsaver.
Rabbidwolverine, sounds like your in trouble LOL

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RabbidWolverine

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posted April 19, 2001 12:07 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by way2thin:
Thanks Lawnsaver.
Rabbidwolverine, sounds like your in trouble LOL

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Well since I know what works for me and most guys I know that juice--I really dont give a fuck what Lawnsaver said. Clomid also helps to keep water retention down--

But to each his own--Just my opinion, do what you want--But clomid is cheap and a good anti-estrogen--

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lawnsaver

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posted April 19, 2001 12:15 AM

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Clomid is a very weak antiestrogen and $ for $ nolvadex is cheaper and does a much better job.

I am not saying clomid doesnt work, but why use it if when you need it to restart your hpta, it doesnt work as well. Also clomid gives many horrible acne. It just doesnt add up it my head.

Stew Meat posted a valuable piece on why not to use clomid during cycles. If you read this piece, you just might agree with me and many others on this board.

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way2thin

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posted April 19, 2001 12:17 AM

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Thanks rabbidwolverin I appreciate your imput and input is what Im looking for
But I still thought that was funny


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