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ajc

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posted April 18, 2001 07:47 PM

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I don't see why one ester would be any different as far as localized growth?

The only thing that makes sense to me is this:

1. Injection Volume.
It's usually 50-100mg/ml, so the volume needed is higher therefore more oil stretching the muscle fascia. You know, my theory is basically it stretches the muscle, which may promote vascular tissue growth in that muscle, allowing the muscle to more easily attain that larger size, blah blah blah.

2. Injection Frequency.
It's usually injected EOD, so you would be injecting more oil (back to #1) on a more frequent basis.

Can anyone think of any other reasons why prop is more popular than say cypionate or enanthate?

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posted April 18, 2001 07:55 PM

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I posted this too late today I guess.

I'm outta here...I'll bring this one up tomorrow.


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b fold the truth

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posted April 19, 2001 12:24 AM

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Prop is a little cheaper for me. $10 for 500mg. I get more of it, it is readily available, and I am currently stockpiling.

I will definately be doing some site injections with prop though. You can only shoot the normal quads and delts so often...they stay sore for a few days...they need their rest.

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posted April 19, 2001 12:30 AM

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its a good question. I have a feeling your 2 reasons are right, but I'd like to see what everyone else says.


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posted April 19, 2001 12:36 AM

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It's my understanding you have to suffer and be in pain to juice, or you're not earning the right, so prop fits the bill.


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posted April 19, 2001 01:24 AM

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It's a fast acting-ester of testosterone, and so hypothetically more testosterone becomes active at the site of injection before the pool of oil/dissolved steroid is dispersed throughout the body. A longer acting ester would only have a small amount of testosterone become active at the site of injection before the rest became distributed throughout the body.


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quote:
Originally posted by B182:
It's a fast acting-ester of testosterone, and so hypothetically more testosterone becomes active at the site of injection before the pool of oil/dissolved steroid is dispersed throughout the body. A longer acting ester would only have a small amount of testosterone become active at the site of injection before the rest became distributed throughout the body.

This is what I was looking for...Anyone else know if this is actually true?

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B182 is right but test suspension is a better choice because it has no ester attached, so more test will go to work at the injection site... Prop I think is used just because of the swelling it causes and because it is quick acting...


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I am not sure if I belive that fast-acting stuff. I think it is do to the swelling that propinate causes during injections and injection frequency. Also propinate might cause more scar tissue. Just a guess though.


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posted April 19, 2001 10:48 PM

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I dont know bout the prop but I think the suspension theory could work. im going to try it then I will fill you in...


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posted April 19, 2001 11:11 PM

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Womf is absolutely correct. The reason that the prop works so well is that the ester that is attatched to it sepperates after 2-3 days, thus giving the local receptors first crack at the juice. Like womf said the best for site injections are test suspension, and winstrol. Hope that helps!

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The potential short fall I see with suspension is that a pool of water-based gear will be dispersed throughout the body much more rapidly than an oil-filled pocket would, and a flood of steroid molecules far exceeding the number of receptors at the site would only provide a much briefer, high level of receptor saturation versus a prolonged high saturation level. On the flip side of the coin, winny suspension is reportedly effective for site injection too. But this is all theory and speculation, so anyone's guess is good right now, since there is no scientific research about localized hypertrophy as a result of site injection.

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quote:
Originally posted by B182:
The potential short fall I see with suspension is that a pool of water-based gear will be dispersed throughout the body much more rapidly than an oil-filled pocket would, and a flood of steroid molecules far exceeding the number of receptors at the site would only provide a much briefer, high level of receptor saturation versus a prolonged high saturation level. On the flip side of the coin, winny suspension is reportedly effective for site injection too. But this is all theory and speculation, so anyone's guess is good right now, since there is no scientific research about localized hypertrophy as a result of site injection.

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Damn, are you stoned? J/K..I love where this post is going. You guys are coming up with shit I never thought about...Maybe I need to start smoking pot again...That always makes me a deep thinker.

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posted April 20, 2001 02:56 AM

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So, is better oil based steroid because oil is stretching the muscle fascia ? Or water based, because there will be more test used in the site?

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posted April 20, 2001 04:47 AM

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Bump for more info.
This is very interesting reading. I like some of the theories on faster acting tests being absorbed at the site quicker. With regard to winny, I was told that it also works well due to it being crystalised making it also absorb more readily at the site. Again though, I suppose this is just more speculation. Anyone have any decent data or articles on this?


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posted April 20, 2001 05:27 AM

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Slightly off the subject but just as side comment.If you can tolerate the pain of TEST SUSPENSION in your bi's, tri's or delts then you deserve any growth you get and then some.


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posted April 20, 2001 05:48 AM

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You can locate with anything. The thing with site location is that you are looking to put volume into the muscle group. And remember, you are also hitting the corresponding muscle on both sides (unless you really have a symmetry issue). This adds up to a lot of gear in mgs which is one reason you typically see prop come up in this area of discussion. People opt for the 50mg/ml stuff because you can't go putting 3ml of sust in each arm twice a week. That would really screw up your figures for a planned cycle.
Two routes to go-
1-plan your cycle. mix your gear with a Synthol product to increase injection volume.
2-plan a course of only a P and P and schedule a rotation of groups to locate into.


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Retabolil2

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I inject test in my arms very often. I don`t know if prop works the same way as winny but I don`t give a shit, its much more comfortable for me to inject my arms than my ass

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