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 The Difference Between Gyno Caused by Estrogen and Progesterone
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| Author | Topic: The Difference Between Gyno Caused by Estrogen and Progesterone | ||
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Moderator 
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Common Symptoms of Gyno caused by ESTROGEN 1. Sore/sensitive nipples 2. Itchy nipples 3. Puffy nipples, oops I mean P Nippy 4. Lump under the nipple Those are the most common symptoms of estrogen caused gyno Gyno Caused by PROGESTERONE may give you the same exact symptoms but here are two most common differences you can use to tell if it's really caused by PROGESTERONE rather then ESTROGEN The best defense for ESTROGEN caused gyno is first ARIMIDEX, THEN NOLVADEX AND FINALLY CLOMID. There are others but those are the best. The best defense for PROGESTERONE caused gyno is first LARGE QUANTITIES OF WINSTROL (40mg per day orally or 50mg per day injected) and next you can try nolvadex but it probably won't do too much but can't hurt either. Disclaimer: This info is based on personal experience and word of mouth. Nothing in here is scientifically proven. ------------------     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 230 |
sounds good... guess I've only experienced estrogen caused gyno... haven't lactated... ever  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
El Cubano- Good post....one question. For someone who's gyno sensitive, what's a good clomid & nolvadex schedule, for a cycle of sus250 at a moderate dose (500mg) per week? I'm thinking like 1-2 20mg nolvadex ed & clomid therapy eod during the cycle or just 2 weeks after last shot of cycle only? Thanks bro | ||
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Moderator
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I believe that you should be good to go with half a tab of nolvadex 2 times a day. If you can get arimidex go with a 1/4 tab eod. If you are taking the nolvadex but still want to throw in the clomid take 1 tab every second day. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6131 |
Great post Cuban.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 921 |
Very good info... as I'm starting Deca soon... and have a HUGE fear of Progesterone caused Gyno. I am Gyno prone bigtime, and have a big fear of this. I have no cash left for any extras. I have Nolva and clomid aplenty. But no access to anything else. Would it be suggested to trade for EQ? I love the stuff, but haven't done Deca yet. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 600 |
Always wondered. Milky substance. What is this substance??? We do not have an active mammory gland (males), or a gland at all that I know of. Is this the male version of lactating?? Or is the some kind of puss? Not trying to be nasty. But I have always heard of it and like my mind always striving for knowledge. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 430 |
I still like proviron | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 654 |
That sums it up very well. Great post! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 125 |
cubano,
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 263 |
Yo Cuba, I have to disagree with you brother because my man was using test and D-bol which only convert to estrogen and he described his gyno symptom specificaly as a burning sensation. Myself on the other hand experimented with prohormones before I hit my first cycle and surprisingly got itchy nipples and it was from using a product that converted to nandrolone which as we all know has progesterone like affects. Later when I hit my first cycle of test and d-bol I didn't have to touch any anti-estrogens on 750 of test and 7 d-bols a day! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 976 |
what about ru-486 for progesterone? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 308 |
Thanks for the post Cubano. From what you described, it seems that I'm starting to develop E-Gyno. All I did was 8 weeks of Deca and Winny, along with Nolv @ 20mg ed & Proviron @ 25mg ed, and I still got the friggin gyno! The symptoms started about 1 week ago, and since then, I stopped all roids, dropped the Proviron, and added Clomid. Is there anything else I can do? Thanks. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 980 |
Clomid is not going to bind to any estrogen receptor other than those in the hypothalamus. i.e. it is NOT for use as an antiestrogen thoughout a cycle. It will NOT prevent gyno in any way. -Stew | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 663 |
STEW, please post references showing that clomiphene only targets hypothalamic estrogen receptors. From PUBMED abstracts I do not see any reference for this effect. Clomiphene's central action is probably related to blood-brain barrier penetrability. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 81 |
How does winny bind to the progesterone receptors? BANSHEE | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 81 |
bump.... | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1351 |
I'm not going to lie, I'm no scientist. I don't have any scientific proof. Only 12 years of experience. Sometimes experience beats expertise. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 143 |
good post cuban .i think ru-486 would help but i hear its hard to get .. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
Very good info... Wondering what you think of injecting some GH into the area to spot reduce gyno. Thanks cuban. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1854 |
CLOMIPHENE binds to the ER in BREAST TISSUE it binds more strongly in the hypothalamus. If you would like I will find the abstract of the study in which CLOMID was used to treat gyno in pubescent males. WHile success rates were not high, it reduced the fatty mass to nullity in a few cases and reduced it in others (clomid had no effect on test or estrogen levels in the subjects)- hence CLOMID DOES bind to the ER in breast tissue- but is not a good candidate for treating existing gyno, however it will act as a preventative as long as estrogen levels are not too high. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 712 |
Just from following that subject over some time on many boards, and reading other users reports, I have to say, that Winstrol either doesn't do anything blocking progesteron-receptor binding induced gyno, or works as selective antagonist, not effective in everyone. Too many times I read that Winstrol didn't help, even in high doses. Also, has to be some kind of correlation between estrogen level in the body and gyno from progesteron-receptor binding. Many experienced reduction of lump from progesteron gyno by Arimidex to almost non-existent. Also, in medical practice,both kinds, ER and PR binding induced tumors in breast cancer patients are threated with Anastrozol and Tamoxifen,with first one proven to be very effective. Also,don't forget that Nandrolone does convert to estrogen, but through non-aromatise mechanism,and even with very low rate,but it could play its role in gyno devellopement. If I would even use Deca again, I would definately use Arimidex(or Cytadren),Nolvadex and Winstrol, and Clomid I use in every cycle anyway. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
thanks for the info everyone needs to know this bump |
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