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 Fonz & other DNP experts... this is what I came up with:
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 305 |
I'm 24 y.o., 5'10", 197lbs @ 22% BF. I finally got my DNP and I'm ready to take the plunge. Here's the plan: 8 on, 8 off; 400mg/day split 12 hours apart. Ancillaries: ECA, Mg, Vitamins C & E, Calcium, Selenium, Zinc, Iron, Pyruvate, Glycerol. I'm gonna go the Isometric route on the diet for around 2500 cal/day. I'm gonna alternate AM cardio (20-30 min) with AM maintainence workouts every other day. I'm gonna drink a shitload of water, and I'm gonna carb load for 3 days following the last dose. I've done my reading... and that's what I've come up with so far. You guys' knowledge from previous experiences could help me a great deal. Let me know what you think, what you'd add, change, drop, etc. I've never in my life seen my abs... I'd love to get a six-pack! Thanks in advance! ------------------     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 203 |
BUMP for Guru and Fonz....... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 376 |
I'm on day 4 of 400 it is hot, but I'm eating very few carbs like 100g a day. Today was the worst. I went to do back and didn't feel bad was gonna do high reps and couldn't make it past my 6th set. I have been doing am cardio everyday, but may switch it up to what you recommended I like the concept. I'm only doing 7 days because I don't want to drop too much. I'll keep you posted, but beware this is a grueling as everyone says. It doesn't hit you right away. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 601 |
Cuts you seem to have done your homework, good job. I will add that you need to get a fan, it makes the nights much more enjoyable. You may want to wait and see how you react before you throw in the ECA. It can make a bad situation worse if your feeling real bad. Good luck. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 209 |
wait a sec bro!!!! 400mg split up every 12 hours is NOT 400mg/day. that's 800mg/day. or maybe i'm reading it wrong and you're taking 200mg every 12 hours totalling 400mg. i would also add some potassium citrate in there for a little bit of acid buffering. at 400mg/day 8 on 8 off should be tolerable, but once you get more experienced and want to push the envelope you'll need a lot more than 8 days off to recover. i'm still pissing out dnp and it has been over 3 weeks since i stopped my last cycle. just make sure you have a fan next to your bed and keep the room temp cool. you might find the first few nights of sleep pretty unpleasant. | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1694 |
quote: Sorry for the wait. Just woke up(5:50 Am here) Ok, here are your stats: 197lbs Bf%=22% Fatmass: 43.3lbs Leanmass: 153.7lbs Your DNP dosage looks good. You may have to go to 600mg/day later on to lose the last bit of fat. (that has been my experience). 1. Take ECA(the ephedrine HCL not herbal) The ephedrine kills any cravings, the herbal does nothing. 2. Drop calories(if you can) to 10X bodyweight i.e. 2000Kcal/day. This is what I call instantaneous gratification. If you see a great amount of progress after the first cycle your motivation is going to go through the roof for the remainder of your fat-loss cycle. 3. Basically you want to lose around 30lbs of fat to get down to around. 167lbs Fmass: 16.7lbs Muscle:150.3lbs Bf: 10% You should see your abs at this BF%. These numbers show a loss in muscle, which WILL happen. Here is my cycle recommendation: Its for back-to-back-to-back DNP cycles 1. 400mg 7-on/12-off 2. 600mg 7-on/12-off 3. 600mg 7-on/12-off Why 7-on/12-off? As you know T3 levels drop drastically due to the excessive heat. A 7-on/7-off schedule does not let T3 levels rebound back to normal, and back-to-back cycles would not work since T3 levels would get deppressed. The 7-on/12-off permits T3 levels to rebound back and gives you the possibility of starting another DNP cycle right away. So, if everything goes right, you could drop from 22% to 10% in 57 days.(8 weeks). You have to love DNP......  Good luck. E-mail me if you have any other technical queries. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 305 |
quote: Sorry, I guess my wording was kind of ambiguous... I'm gonna take 400mg/day divided into two 200mg doses spaced 12 hours apart. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 305 |
Thanks a lot Fonz and everybody else! I'm gonna start tomorrow and I'll keep ya'll posted (if I have energy to type  )!------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 305 |
quote: That's a concept that I got from (no flames please ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 84 |
Fonz, what about throwing in some T3 while on the DNP since natural T3 levels drop. Would this allow for a 7on/7off to work better? One more question, since carbs have to be cut relatively short while on DNP to keep the temp down what about getting into ketosis before starting a DNP cycle? Would this help speed up fat loss since glycogen is gone? Switched | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 48 |
bump for info on T3 supplementation...also curious if there's anything wrong w/ 14 on, 14 off routine or is that just too generic for ya'll? See my post a ways down on the board "critique my summer cutting/strength cycle" if interested in how I was planning on doing it...basically 2 2 wk dnp cycles w/ t3 in a fina cycle and ECR (ritalin) | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1694 |
On a 7-on/7-off schedule, you can use 25mcg of T3 per day to increase depressed T3 levels if your body-heat goes down. And, you have hit the nail on the head regarding glycogen depletion. DNP works by blocking ATP, therefore glycogen levels fall to very low levels due to excercise. If a state of glycogen depletion already exists when you start a DNP cycle you're saving yourself 3-4 days of glycogen depletion caused by the DNP. This means 3-4 extra days at FULL FAT-BURNING MODE!! (The body burns fat best when glycogen levels are low BTW). For a 14-on/14-off cycle I recommend 25mcg T3 throughout the entire cycle to up-regulate T3 levels. If muscle loss is a concern for you, just add an anabolic at a moderate dosage. Test, Deca, winny are all good choices. Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 20 |
HEY FONZ LOOK LIKE A NICE CUT AND PAST JOB YOUR MOM HELP YOU TO ????
quote: Sorry for the wait. Just woke up(5:50 Am here) Ok, here are your stats: 197lbs Your DNP dosage looks good. You may have to go 1. Take ECA(the ephedrine HCL not herbal) 2. Drop calories(if you can) to 10X bodyweight 3. Basically you want to lose around 30lbs of fat 167lbs You should see your abs at this BF%. These numbers show a loss in muscle, which WILL 1. 400mg 7-on/12-off Why 7-on/12-off? As you know T3 levels drop So, if everything goes right, you could drop from You have to love DNP...... Good luck. E-mail me if you have any other technical Godspeed[/B][/QUOTE] | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1694 |
Please enlighten me as to what on earth are you talking about? Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 209 |
white boy, what the hell are you thinking coming on here flaming a vet who knows his shit a lot better than you? like fonz said, what the hell are you talking about? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 388 |
I think ill chime in here..... 400 is a good beginer dose. Its always better to split the dose like you are doing as 400mg DNP in the stomach at once might upset it (it did me a few times). acid buffer will not be needed at that dose (i dont think its ever needed with DNP). Only ancillaries needed are lots of water (USE GLYCEROL, MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO STAY HYDRATED EVEN WHEN ONLY DRINKING ABOUT A GAL A DAY LIKE I DID) and the anti-os and vitamins you are taking. ECA at low doses to start, you dont know how you will act on both DNP and ECA. I personally would not use T3, i feel its not needed. drop caloric intake even more. sleeping without a fan is impossible (for me at 600mg its was needed). 1lb a day loss is certianly feasible if you follow a good diet. Dont cut carbs TOO much so you dont go hypoglycemic. DNP cycles arnt as complex as some people make them out to be. 400mg day, 7/7, anti-os and water(with glycerol of course). Thats it. Let us know how it goes, users of the "bitch" stick together! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1381 |
at 22%,watch youre diet and cardio it will help you in the long term more then te DNP. good luck |
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posted April 17, 2001 06:27 PM