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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Can't seem to find any evidence that supports this. I am looking for some scientific explaination on this method of delivery. Impirical eveidence supports a 20% absorbtion rate. I am not discouraging this method, I am just curious. Anyone??? ------------------ quote:    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 171 |
That's a good question. I honestly have no idea. It does work, you just need to spend more cash to buy more pellets. I too wonder why the tren isn't rendered inactive when it is swallowed. | ||
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Novice 
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The science has to be off because it does work. One reason why it might be more effective is that usually newbies with fresh receptors are using the oral method. It worked for me last year, but I'm using the science and trying to be greedy. My logic is that if I was getting 20% absortion orally and it worked, then getting 80% via DMSO should be awesome. My logic could be flawed. We'll just have to wait and see.  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
That's not a bad theory, but I took it orally with good results after my first cycle. Although, it was only 8 weeks of sus at 500mg/week. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 80 |
According to my info, oral absorbs at 20% or less, dmso at 50% or less, and injection 70% or less. Also, with the injection you see results quickly (2-3 days after each injection)and its a painless injection because of the oil. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Why would injected finaplix need to "absorb"? What exactly would it be "absorbing" in? How do you figure that you are not getting 100% with injection? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
From research, it seems that injection shuld render damn near 100% absorption, DMSO 70-80%, and from experience oral seems to be at least 50% effective, maybe a little more. (I'm 1 1/2 weeks into oral cycle.) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 80 |
You guys may be right. For me personally, I didn't get shit out of the dmso. I decided against oral because of the fillers used for underskin absorption. They're veternarian grade and my stomach's bad enough as it is. The fillers as well as stomach acidity is why you get less than 100% absorption. The liver and kidneys also filter prior to blood absorption because it comes through the GI tract. Even intramuscular injection only gives 70% or so. Having said that, with 200mg injections EOD, it kicked for me! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Fina does not have fillers and binders to my knowlege. -Stew | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 324 |
bump for more opinions...general concensus is that it does work orally with limited success. Oral administration would probably reak havoc on your liver though... ------------------ quote: | ||
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Cool Novice 
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used two weeks (now doing inject)...during which bench went up 15 lbs on restricted calorie diet...170 lbs is me...5 pills a day. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2503 |
I used 5 pellets orally for 2 weeks, I didnt get much, maybe a little strength. I'm switching to dmso tomorrow. We will see if there is a difference! I think 10 pellet a day would have been the way to go if I was going the oral route again. ------------------ *** Dont email me asking for a source!!!!! *** "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
The question that remains to be answered is why tren acetate does not break down in the digestive tract like other AS (or atleast so we're told). I tried DMSO, and didn't get much out of it, some people swear by it though. If you're gonna go the oral route, buy some extra cartridges and take at least 8-10 a day. | ||
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Novice
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I have to question taking 8-10 pellets every day orally. I was taking four a day and I really had to up my water intake tremendously to keep from dark urine and back pain (kidneys). If you do this, be careful. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2503 |
I think the people who take it orally know the deal. At least 1 to 1 1/2 gallons a day with milk thistle and cranberry. ------------------ *** Dont email me asking for a source!!!!! *** "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
Luckily, I've had no problems with the kidneys, or urine color. I consciencely drank more water when on, but I doubt I was drinking the amount that I should've. Maybe all that beer cleaned me out  | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2503 |
LOL... To answer you first question, "they" say the chemical make up of fina is somewhat similar to a c17aa compound. It help stop the liver from breaking down the bulk of it. ------------------ *** Dont email me asking for a source!!!!! *** "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 324 |
bump for someone with scientific explaination... ------------------ quote: | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 21 |
I'm doing fina orally now, 6 pellets a day. I crush them up, 3 in the morning and 3 at night, and put them under my tongue. After 5 minutes or so I mix the fina with saliva and then hold it under my tongue for another 5 minutes. After that I swollow and the "burning" starts. Is this how U all are doing it, or? Anyone know if the effect would be less effective if the pellets were crushed and then just swollowed, or maybe even if the hole pellets were swollowed? Wouldn't the fina be absorbed in the "gut"?? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 890 |
A LARGE PART OF FINA PELLETS IS CELLULOSE, THE SAME SUBSTANCE AS DIETARY FIBER. THIS IS UNDIGESTABLE BY HUMANS, SO A GOOD PORTION OF THE PELLET GETS PASSED WITHOUT DISSOLVING. CRUSHING UP THE PELLETS INTO A FINE POWDER IS THE ONLY WAY TO TAKE THEM ORALLY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR FINA. ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 324 |
Do the Fina pellets need to be stored in a refregerator when not in use? ------------------ quote: | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2503 |
Yes! I dont know the exact scientific results, but I read that the chemical makeup allows some protection going through the first pass. ------------------ *** Dont email me asking for a source!!!!! *** "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Here's the deal guys... ANY steroid, when taken in SUFFICIENT AMOUNTS, can be effective orally. Alpha-alyklated steroid molecules are much less inclined to be destroyed by liver enzymes- so let's say you took some dbol, some of it would be destroyed, but the greater amount would make it through. This is why injected winny is a little bit more effective than winny oral on a mg for mg basis, as with pretty much any other 17aa gear. With non 17aa gear, you can still get some gains if you took enough orally, but in most instances (we're skipping primo etc.) you'd be tossing your money down the drain because nearly all of it would be destroyed in the first liver pass, just like prohormones are (chemically they are steroids) for example, hence why they don't work unless taken in huge amounts (added to the fact they are not esterfied). To those guys saying absorption is anything less than %100 when using injection, how is that possible? What does absorption mean to you? To me it means getting it in the blood stream. Most guys with an educational backround I respect related to gear guess only about %40 makes it through with the DMSO route. I'd have to agree from personal experience. Haven't tried oral yet. [This message has been edited by B182 (edited April 17, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
I've read that the makeup of tren is similar to that of 17aa's, and thus making it more difficult to destroy in the in the digestive system. |
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posted April 16, 2001 04:02 PM
