Ok...So, to make things easier, using the "Roid Calculator" at http://www.mesomorphosis.com/resources/anabolic-steroid-calculator.htm I have looked at the following scenarios.

Scenario 1: We have 16 amps of Sustanon (just to keep the numbers simple). If I use 500mg per week for eight weeks, here's what my test levels look like every week.

Week...Sust Injected...Active Test
1........500............475
2........500............627
3........500............675
4........500............691
5........500............696
6........500............697
7........500............698
8........500............698
9........000............223
10.......000.............71

Notice how test levels don't climb to nearly 690-700mg range until week 4. Also notice where test levels are at week 9 and 10.
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Scenario 2: This time we have one more amp of Sustanon for a total of 17. If I start with 750mg on the first week and then run 500 for the next 7 weeks, here's what the active test levels look like every week.

Week...Sust Injected...Active Test
1........750............712
2........500............703
3........500............699
4........500............698
5........500............698
6........500............698
7........500............698
8........500............698
9........000............223
10.......000.............71

Notice how test levels stay around 700mg from week 1 through week 8 and then notice that the test levels at week 9 and 10 are the same as scenario 1.

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What I've figured out is that by adding just 1 amp (or basically 50% more test) on the first week, we can skip that 2-3 week wait to get the maximum effect.

Why aren't more people doing this?

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To front load and avoid the delay, multiply your desired dose by 1.5 for week 1.

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Originally posted by shoulders:
From what I have read it takes 4-5 weeks to kick in even if you use 1 gram a week. So I think there is something more to it. So what you are saying is that anything above 500mg of sustanon will kick in pretty much first week?

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Well, here's what I mean. It doesn't matter how much you are using, the principle still applies. If you use 1000mg per week, by the 4th week your test levels will have reached the 1400mg range, and that's when you feel the maximum effect.

If you have not actually used Sust or another long acting test, don't go by what you read...You will have to try it yourself to see what I mean.

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Originally posted by PARABOLAN:
man this is what d-ball is for... u use it for the weeks that ur test doesnt kick in....

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True. But, I don't like to use 17aa stuff (I'm a conservative! LOL) unless I have to (i.e. Winny). So, I would much rather up the first week's dose by 50%.

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Originally posted by ajc:
We all know that when we start a cycle of sustanon (or any other test with a relatively long half life for that matter) it usually takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks to feel the maximum effects. This, in my opinion is because it takes that long for test levels to build up in the body.

Ok...So, to make things easier, using the "Roid Calculator" at http://www.mesomorphosis.com/resources/anabolic-steroid-calculator.htm I have looked at the following scenarios.

[b]Scenario 1: We have 16 amps of Sustanon (just to keep the numbers simple). If I use 500mg per week for eight weeks, here's what my test levels look like every week.

Week...Sust Injected...Active Test
1........500............475
2........500............627
3........500............675
4........500............691
5........500............696
6........500............697
7........500............698
8........500............698
9........000............223
10.......000.............71

Notice how test levels don't climb to nearly 690-700mg range until week 4. Also notice where test levels are at week 9 and 10.[/B]

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I'm definitly going to have to disagree with this. I am guessing you got this from the roid calculater. Personally, that thing sucks . In week one of your frontloading theory, you inject 750mg of sust. Then, you write that the amount of active test is 712mg. Well, we all know that only the prop would be fast acting enough to become fully active in the first week, so the most you would have would be around 100mg of test. Just because it is in your body doesn't mean it is active. Most of the test would still be attached to the ester, therfor, it would not yet be free test.

BTW- no flame, just MY opinion

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IM going to try it.. I just took 500mg of test and 2 days ago and im going to do another one right now.. Ill let you guys know the out come.

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Originally posted by ORGANON CANON:
I'm definitly going to have to disagree with this. I am guessing you got this from the roid calculater. Personally, that thing sucks . In week one of your frontloading theory, you inject 750mg of sust. Then, you write that the amount of [b]active test is 712mg. Well, we all know that only the prop would be fast acting enough to become fully active in the first week, so the most you would have would be around 100mg of test. Just because it is in your body doesn't mean it is active. Most of the test would still be attached to the ester, therfor, it would not yet be free test.

BTW- no flame, just MY opinion

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That is what I was wondering myself, but what makes me wonder is this. If you inject a test every 7 days that lasts say 14 days, you eventually end up with a "build up" in the system. I would like to see a better way to calculate this process.

Also, there is some controversy as to whether the "longer acting testosterones" like enanthate actually last longer or just take longer to get into the system and therefore longer to get out.

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Originally posted by coolhandluke:
i agree with you about the front-loading, but i think your numbers are a bit off. now if it would be 1 amp of sust ed for the first two weeks, followed by 500mg per week, then that would be kick-ass

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I agree, the numbers are probably a bit skewed, but the principle is what I'm concerned with. I think I should have said "test waiting to be released" instead of "active test"

I'd really like to figure out the exact formulas for front loading different drugs like deca, eq, etc. to keep a steady level of the drug in the blood stream to get around that 3 week delay...I hate waiting for it to kick in!

Hey, I wonder if Omnadren would work similar to Sustanon. LOL

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Originally posted by ajc:
[BHey, I wonder if Omnadren would work similar to Sustanon. LOL

B]

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AJC can you figure out what weeks 9-10 will
be when Clomid is added?

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Originally posted by coolhandluke:

damn, ajc, don't you know anything?!?! 3 of the esters in omna are the same but the last one is different! not to mention its a dir ty ass drug made in polish toilets!

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Originally posted by scott825:
Very intresting AJC,,Im getting ready to start my friend on his first cycle of Sust.
I may use that theorry.

AJC can you figure out what weeks 9-10 will
be when Clomid is added?

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Originally posted by coolhandluke:
not to mention its a dir ty ass drug made in polish toilets!

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Ha, ha that's funny as shit.

Also, I think Jan's site has some info on this. Anyone know the url?

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